The police on cedar lounge who just about tolerated the exposure of their Union Siptu being corrupt, have refused a post of mine – and censored me- because I showed that one of the Union officials in Belfast Bobby Dickey was guilty of child abuse. The truth of this is contained the in the Belfast Court System. When confronted with the young girl’s evidence Dickey pleaded guilty. This was reported in the Belfast Newspapers at the time, because Dickey lawyer in a plea of mitagation stated that Dickey was the last chairman of ITGWU at Belfast Docks. Dickey#s corruption has also been widly reported on Indymedia but cedarloung will not tolerate its readers learning the truth about child abuse and union officials. While it takes a perverted sadistic bastard to abuse a child, it also takes a pervered bastard to suck up to employers to such an extent that they sack their own members. Cedarlounge which consists mostly of Siptu members is afraid that its bloggers will put to and two together and conclude that one pervert does all. Exactly like Bobby Dickey. When will these SUCKO members realise that the TRUTH cannot be contained
Smiffy, if you were half the man you pretend to be you’d have exposed the suckups in Siptu years ago, but you can’t because you’re one of the suckup who wants to be a bigger suck up. In one of the posts you deleted on suckup lounge I stated that Hughie Murphy had phoned me with the name of the Union Official pervert, Bobby Dickey and that he was mentioned in a letter on Hughies web site [www.corruptsiptu.co.uk]. As I stated the letter is to Jack O Connor from his Belfast solicitor and states that Connor’s union DID SACK its own members and that this child abuser was one of the main culprits. This truth was too much for smiffy and the “lefties too stubborn to quit”. I often wondered – because, of their Right Wing Ethos – what it was they wouldn’t quit. Now I know SUCKING UP. Suckup Lounge, O’Connor and the well paid employer / trade unionists by their covering up of the Belfast Corruption have equated decency, self-respect and the pride of being associated with Larkin and Connolly’s Union with the Perversion of Union Official Bobby Dickey, a convicted child abuser, and with the Belfast Branch which sent Dockers and their families to a agonising death. Larkin and Connolly never meant for their union to behave like this – or even to stand for these things. Larkin and Connolly’s Union has a great tradition which has been sold out by greedy usurpers of their principles. Larkin and Connolly’s Union can and will be great again but only when these well paid SUCKUPS who have perverted Trade Unionism have been exposed and booted out.
By silencing me on Cedar Lounge, Monte Joe Stalin, wbs, smiffy and all the other so-called Trade Unionists on the award winning Cedar Lounge, have proven, that – ITGWU/SIPTU has not moved on one inch sinch they persecuted and sacked the Belfast Dockers for the employers.
At Belfast Docks when I lambasted the Union in the “Dockers Voice” for its anti working class and pro employers behaviour, the employers wanted me sacked. My complaints to Liberty Hall and ICTU about the persecutions and heavy fines imposed on the Dockers fell on deaf ears.
The union eventually did sack me – and many others for wanting improved working conditions, LIKE washing facilities.
If one word of any of the documents I’ve posted on my website http://www.corruptsiptu.co.uk is untrue, the CORRUPT SIPTU would sue me. This union’s corruption and shame are now available for all to see. Liberty Hall and ICTU are still as corrupt as they ever were.
Ah, Hugh, you’ve finally decided to join us. About time.
As was pointed out to you already, it’s a bit rich of you to complain about being silenced, when you were allowed to make hundreds of comments about SIPTU on a particular thread (those comments are still available for all to see, when they could easily be deleted). The reason the thread was locked (not deleted) was because I didn’t see any reason to allow you a platform to continue to throw insults against those who run the site.
I’ve told you before that I’m not a member of SIPTU. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about SIPTU and certainly have no vested interest in protecting them from your accusations.
I very much enjoyed reading through the documents you posted. It was an experience hilarious and tragic in equal measure, like wandering through an exhibition of outsider art.
On the substance of your claims, I should say that while I have not read every posted item in detail, I have not seen anything there which supports your allegations of corruption. What the documents do suggest, however, is that you were dismissed with good reason.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove by posting up reams of letters from people trying to explain to you that they have no involvement in the investigation of your allegations, attempting to direct you to the appropriate individual (I particularly enjoyed Document21, as well as the later one from De Rossa). I’d add that it’s a bit ludicrous to simply post one side of a correspondence and expect individuals to support your claims on that basis – why isn’t your side of the correspondence there as well.
If you stand over your – rather vague and confused, not to mention shrill – claims about SIPTU, perhaps you might like to restate them and – on each point – refer specifically to the document you’ve posted which supports the claim.
Dress it up in what ever semantics you like, the Best Political Blog Winner has silenced me on its site.
While you claim not to belong to SIPTU – it’s perfectly obvious you’ve been brainwashed by them. Documents 9, 10, 15, 16 and 17 relate to ITGWU becoming corrupted by the Belfast employers and SACKING its own members. This Union betrayed every Principle and Belief which Larkin and Connolly held dear – and persecuted the working class.
For you to say that the proof of these betrayals is “shrill” is a complete misuse of the word – and it beggars belief that you question the evidence of your own eyes. IN WHAT Rule Book does it state that the Union and employers can deprive Paid Up members of their livelihoods.
I hope that being around SIPTU OFFICIALS hasn’t robbed you of empathy, and what you found both “hilarious and tragic” were in the appropriate places. It would be really sad if you were laughing at Belfast Dockers being sacked by Larkin and Connolly’s Union and their families starving…?
I presume you also found it funny that ICTU did nothing to help the persecuted Dockers. Sniffy, least you forget, the documents are on the web for anyone to read. They proof in them can’t be denied, although Monte Joe Stalin must have got a red face when I put them up – after he denied what they contain. How can he now persuade the Curran Strikers that his union did not sack its own members…? AND how can you smiffy – after reading the corrupt heading on document 10.
Did you also find it funny, smiffy, that the union and employers did not implement an Industrial Tribunal Ruling – that the Dockers should be given a Contract of Employment. And – that the chairman stated, specifically, “That a notice of dismissal shall be such notice as shall conform with the requirements of Section [1] of the Act” If you didn’t find this funny, I’m sure your SIPTU friends did. Is this not what they accuse Currans of doing
Smiffy, you’re an apologist for CORRUPTION. If one word of any of those document is not TRUE then let SIPTU – in Jack O’Connor’s words “sue the arse of me”. THEY WON’T. As you know, O’Connor tried – after I publicly accused him of being corrupt and of covering up corruption. He was told by his Belfast Solicitor that “his union did sack its own members”. Why am I telling you this, YOU and everyone else can read it online.
No doubt you, WBS, Monte Joe Stalin and all the others who use their intellect to fool the workers will be well rewarded by the employers – just like MoneyBeggs, Fas McLoone and all the rest.
Hugh, a list of documents, which doesn’t explain what each document is, is not an index.
Anyway. I’ve just re-read documents 9, 10, 15, 16 and 17 and what they show is that disciplinary action was taken against you. Document 16 is particularly useful in that context, as it gives some detail of what the accusations against you were. Frankly, if you piss off from a job without telling anyone, what do you expect?
Nothing in what you’ve posted shows any corruption at all. Indeed, all they show are that you’re pretty lazy and when you get called on it, you don’t even bother to show up to some of the many hearings dealing with the matter. That being the case, what did you expect to happen?
What’s particularly funny is the fact that nothing in any of the documents posted are related to anything except your own, rather flimsy case (do you even have a case)? It’s a bit narcissistic on your part to extrapolate your own dispute into some great cause affecting all workers.
Tell me this, Hugh: why shouldn’t you have been disciplined?
I’m just amazed that David McWilliams STILL hasn’t gotten round to making a television programme about SIPTU and ICTU corruption. It’s been over two years since he got document 35, for Gods sake.
Trousers down, Hughie boy, trousers down. Have some semblance of dignity man.
You were treated with respect and dignity by SIPTU, that’s obvious. I also note the lack of documentation between 74 and 83. Long time.
Another long gap between 83 and 02. I note Pat Rabbitte brought to your attention that the lapse of time would be an issue, a’major problem’.
Congress offered to meet you informally. I suspect you declined the offer, or ignored it. Hence your antipathy towards David Begg. I see Paul Smyth offered assistance. Again, I suspect you ignored it. You then moved on to Mike Jennings. Then MEP De Rossa, bet you insulted him too.
You then decided to not to attend a NEC sub-committee, handed in a letter late, and even then they tried to accommodate you. Twice! You wouldn’t cooperate. Imagine that huh, so out of character for you, as your postings will have illustrated!
You’re a crybaby, Hughie boy. You lost your job, most likely through your own fault, and will not accept the fact. You then left the issue to die, and brought it back to life when you were sure that there could be no resolution, so you could badmouth all and sundry in SIPTU and ICTU, who had no active part in 72/73/74. That’s 100% obvious.
Your much loved documents prove one sure thing, you’re an ignorant ass. God help those that actually have to deal with you on a daily basis. Even your cat must have topped himself by now.
Smiffy, are you being deliberately naive or has close association with these SIPTU Dictators softened your brain. The disciplinary action taken against me was a railroad job to get me in front of the Joint Disciplinary Committee. NOW – try and think for one wee minute like an independent person and not a SIPTU clone – and ask yourself – WHAT was my union doing in a TOTALLY ILLEGAL COURT with the employers and disciplining me on TRUMPED up charges.
IF THE CHARGES WERE TRUE MY UNION SHOULD’VE BEEN DEFENDING ME, NOT DECIDING WITH EMPLOYERS WHAT SENTANCE I SHOULD GET.
You’re being deliberately facetious when you accuse me of being lazy because I wouldn’t show up at a CORRUPT UNION EMPLOYER COURT which no union members EXCEPT the traitorous chairman who left the union and joined the employers, had agreed to.
Smiffy, your assertion that no documents refer to any other Docker is untrue. The Ruling from the Industrial Tribunal WAS not just about me but included all Dockers who should’ve been given a Contract of Employment. BUT it doesn’t suit your SIPTU buddies FOR you to point this out.
Like I said keep up the good work for SIPTU you’ll be well rewarded.
Monte Joe Stalin, why should I have met ICTU informally and in SECRET…? I was sacked by my corrupt Trade Union and they did nothing about it. Why have you not mentioned their cowardly letters…? Not biting the hand you hope will feed you…? Your comments are as pathetic as the support your union is giving to the Curran Strikers. Why don’t you also print what I said about the people you refer to, and that they didn’t want to know.
I have said before that the only reason I’ve got nowhere with my case, and the Dockers case – many of whom are now Dead from Asbestosis, was because I kept coming up against crawling arse licking bastards like you who didn’t need to attend the SIPTU COLLEGE to be taught how to SUCK UP as it came to you naturally.
Seeing SIPTU is only giving Lip Service to the strikers, WHY don’t YOU monte joe Stalin take the bull by the horns and lead the Strikers on a March to Liberty Hall and DEMAND that the union support them with Industrial Action.
Let’s see Monte Joe Arse Licker and SIPTU toe rag take ACTION for the Strikers instead of feeding them platitudes like “The time isn’t right”.
The time isn’t right for you because you and all the other SIPTU Gombeen Men are quelling the genuine aspirations of workers to guarantee your well paid Directorships from the employers and your equally well paid ICTU positions. JUST like the union at Belfast Docks.
I don’t want to hear another word from you Joe Stalin – until you lead the strikers to Dublin and demand SUPPORT from Jack O’Connor – no matter how many well paid positions you lose. EITHER you’re a Union Leader or you’re not. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
“I don’t want to hear another word from you Joe Stalin – until you lead the strikers to Dublin and demand SUPPORT from Jack O’Connor – no matter how many well paid positions you lose. EITHER you’re a Union Leader or you’re not.”
CENSORSHIP!
Hugh, if the joint disciplinary committee was ‘illegal’, as you claim (a claim which isn’t supported by the documents you’ve posted), why didn’t you seek legal redress through the courts at the time?
Guys, I like to follow a light-touch approach to moderation, but some of the postings in this thread are a bit full-on. If this keeps up, I’ll have to review my policy.
Please, either post respectfully, or don’t post at all.
Pathetic Court JESTERS at the court of King O’Connor. They attempt to joke to deflect from the face that O’Connor’s own solicitor told him, “HIS UNION DID SACK IT’S OWN MEMBERS”.
You don’t have to make a joke out of that – the employers have already made a joke out of this so-called Trade Union.
The solicitor says that the most serious issue you raise is the existence of a joint disciplinary committee. However, he doesn’t say that there was another ‘illegal’ about this. He also states: “While the existence of such an agreement between employer and union may understandably be subject to criticism by those who disagree with it and may generally be undesirable from a union perspective, it is hardly evidence of corruption”.
THAT’s exactly the sort of thing I’m talking about. I’ve never, in my life, come across a more revolting string of profanities and obscenities than the ones I’ve just deleted (and I’ve been in the navy). Any more of that, “Jack O’Connor”, and I’ll ban your IP permanently.
And just for the record, from now on, the use of the word “cuntbag” is an immediate banning offence.
Good to see that the corruption of SIPTU is annoying the people who’re looking for well paid positions on ICTU AND directorships with the employers for selling out the working class.
Smiffy, while obviously you studied the letter from Jack O’Connor’s solicitor with a SIPTU perspective, it beggars belief that you failed to read his conclusion:- that O’Connor’s union SACKED ITS OWN MEMBERS. The rest you quote is the solicitor putting an O’Connor spin on it. Remember he had to drop “I’m going to sue the arse of you”.
I’m asking you a simple and honest question, and please answer without reference to your SIPTU cronies. Do you think it corrupt OR NOT for a Trade Union to SACK its own members…?
TOSSER, has asked a very relevant question – WHY has David McWillians not made a TV programme about SIPTU and ICTU corruption. In Crawdaddy, after I accused Jack O’Connor – AGAIN , of being corrupt and of covering up corruption – David McWilliams interrupted me, saying “Let him speak”. O’Connor stated, that, “This morning I received a letter from my Belfast solicitor and he can find no substance to these allegations”.
Smiffy, does this sound like an accurate reporting of the ’said’ letter. OF COURSE Jack O’Connor is telling LIES – AND you have the proof. Of course, what else could he do, its not every day a solicitor TELL YOU that your union sacked its own members.
Obviously smiffy, you and the other Stanalists in SIPTU find nothing wrong with this, and are happy to ignore it – BUT what about the INTEGRITY of the Union. Is SIPTU a WORKERS TRADE UNION or an EMPLOYERS TRADE UNION.
O’Connor the SIPTU and ICTU leadership must have split their sides laughing at the 100th anniversary of ITGWU/SIPTU – when they congratulated themselves on SELLING out the Working Class, and HAVING made them a puppet of the employers. NO-ONE in the entire trade union movement has reservations about MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone [and who knows how many others] sitting on Boards of Companies and being well paid for doing so.
Obviously, they AND the employers say there’s no conflict of interest, which is laughable. BY SELLING out workers and keeping wages low, the ordinary worker profited very little in comparison to the wealthy employers from the so-called Celtic Tiger. This was allowed to happen because they had their snouts in the trough of employers greed THEY ignored the corruption of rampart capitalism. In short – THEY SOLD OUT THE COUNTRY – and they are still selling it out. Fas McLoone, MoneyBeggs and the other Union Directors must decide whose side they’re on. It’s RANK HYPOCRISY for MoneyBeggs and the others to call for massive rallies in support of workers when they’re receiving MASSIVE SALARIES from government and the employers.
The above HAPPENED at Belfast Docks. When our Union Chairman, Jim Austin, negotiated the Decasualisation Scheme which was to give us jobs for life – HE promptly sold us out and joined the employers as Labour Controller. The moderates would not take action. I wanted everything our ex chairman agreed to thrown out. This was before anyone knew of the Joint Disciplinary Committee. The Dockers regretted not supporting me, both in this and in my sacking. IN 1980, the corrupt union alliance sacked all the Dockers, BECAUSE they had no Contract of Employment – even though an Industrial Tribunal ordered they be supplied in 1974. Smiffy, you have this Ruling – strange you don’t quote from, or say anything about that.
MY POINT in reiterating the above is simple to understand, BUT won’t be accepted by SIPTU apologists, is: ANYONE IN THE PAY OF AN EMPLOYER CANNOT ALSO REPRESENT WORKERS
The FACT that monte joe Stalin, smiffy, wbs and all the other SIPTU APOLIGISTS won’t accept this – SHOWS just EXACTLY what they are.
Aw Hughie (cry)baby, you’re such an ass. You were sacked, your own fault, a disciplinary committtee (not the union) upheld the dismissal, you lost. No evideince of corruption, lots of evideince that you’re an ass. I take note of the hordes of workers invading this site to back you up. I retire crushed by your overwhelming logic.
You corrupt twit, you’re as much betrayer of Trade Unionism as our ex chairman, Jim Austin. Read the heading on document 10 and say the union was not responsible for my sacking. Lots of evidence of corruption. As I said before Jack will reward you for your sucking up.
Actually, by refusing to acknowledge that your union is corrupt and was half of the disciplinary committee that sacked me, and many other Dockers, you’re making a liar out of O’Connor’s solicitor. But I’m sure Jack will forgive you – YOUR sucking up – AS ALWAYS – was well intentioned.
Just before you retire, Monte Joe Stalin, OVERWHELMED by your sycophantism – would you enlighten me as to what you think of MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone receiving multiple, massive salaries from the employers while thousand have no jobs – which, by the way was caused by their sucking up and incompetence in the first place.
OR does your sucking up principles prevent you from condemning anyone who is a ‘well paid by the employers Union Official’.
I will take the above as read. BUT – at the very least, seeing the disaster that Labour Officials have caused with their anti working class agenda, would you not agree that MoneyBeggs should donate the money he received as Labour Watchdog on Central Bank, to unemployed workers.
I AGREE that Bank Directors should not receive massive salaries OR bonuses for the scandalous way they’ve managed the economy – SO WHY THEN does the same rule NOT apply to the Labour Watchdogs who were supposedly there to ensure this disaster did not happen in the first place. NOT only were MoneyBeggs and ICTU paid by the employers to manipulate the working class into working for a tiny fraction of the wealth the created, BUT they were Blind Deaf and Dumb while pocketing their large anti worker cheques.
Remember MoneyBeggs and Aer Lingus, [he sits on the board] speaking about a controversial decision the Board of Directors had taken to pay millions to two directors. “They didn’t tell me”! He whinged. Of course – Aer Lingus – to their way of thinking had done nothing wrong, weren’t they PAYING HIM.
NO ONE SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR FAILURE – ESPECIALLY, SO-CALLED TRADE UNIONISTS WHO HAVE DONE THEIR BEST TO KEEP THE IRISH WORKERS IN WAGE SLAVERY – WHILE THEY SLITHER UP THE EMPLOYERS WELL GREASED POLE OF WEALTH AND HYPOCRISY
“No one should be rewarded for failure”-I take it you’re referring to yourself there, HughieCryBaby.
Joint disciplinary committee suspended you, pending appeal. No sign of a dismissal notice from ITGWU. Ass.
“I’m asking you a simple and honest question, and please answer without reference to your SIPTU cronies. Do you think it corrupt OR NOT for a Trade Union to SACK its own members…?”
Short answer ‘No’. Long answer, exactly what the solicitor said: While the existence of such an agreement between employer and union (i.e. union participation on a joint disciplinary committee – smiffy) may understandably be subject to criticism by those who disagree with it and may generally be undesirable from a union perspective, it is hardly evidence of corruption”.
BTW, I’ve told you before that I don’t have any SIPTU cronies.
“In Crawdaddy, after I accused Jack O’Connor – AGAIN , of being corrupt and of covering up corruption – David McWilliams interrupted me, saying “Let him speak”. O’Connor stated, that, “This morning I received a letter from my Belfast solicitor and he can find no substance to these allegations”.
Smiffy, does this sound like an accurate reporting of the ’said’ letter.”
Smiffy, I’m beginning to believe you are in SIPTU, and pretty far up the greasy pole. Either that or you’re as ethically and morally deficient as Monte Joe Stalin. Unbelievably, while you quote from the second half of the forth paragraph of the solicitors letter to O’Connor – YOU totally ignore the first four lines, which state: “There was a Joint Disciplinary made up of employer representatives and members of ITGWU which dealt with misconduct etc and COULD and DID terminate the employment of dockers, including Mr Murphy”.
You ask at the end of your CHERRY-PICKING post, does this sound like an accurate reporting of the ’said’ letter” – and answer yourself, “Yes it does”.
NO IT DOES NOT. YOU ARE EITHER A CONFOUNDED LIAR OR MENTALLY DERANGED IF YOU THINK IT DOES.
Jack must be getting desperate. ICTU must be down on him like a ton of bricks. With everybody taking a pay cut, no one except me has mentioned
ICTU and their well paid Directorships. MoneyBeggs must be screaming at Jack to rally the troops and take the heat of them. Unfortunately, for MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone, all Jack has left is Monte Joe Stalin and smiffy. One lies to the Curran Strikes and the other lies on this site.
Smiffy, DO YOU THINK PEOPLE CAN’T READ…? DO YOU THINK THAT BY SPOUTING THE SAME OLD SIPTU RUBBISH THAT PEOPLE WILL IGNORE THE TRUTH…?
YOU also ignore document 22 which is a letter to another Solicitor from DEPO LTD, via a Belfast Liquidator, James Baird and Company. AS YOU WELL KNOW, smiffy, this letter also states that I was sacked by my UNION and the EMPLOYERS. I suppose smiffy, they were telling lies as well. At the end of this letter is a disgraceful set of Rules which were agreed by the traitorous ex chairman, showing that any docker could be sacked for ANYTHING.
SMIFFY, up to now I had a grudging respect for your intellect, even though it is completely Right Wing. Your LIES have put paid to that. I ask you again – DO YOU THINK PEOPLE CAN’T READ…? You, Monte Joe Stalin and Jack O’Connor are well suited. THREE LIARS – and when David McWilliams grows a pair everyone in the country will know it as well.
This union can be great again, and will be, when it throws out LIARS and returns to the ideals of Larkin and Connolly and adopt a working class agenda.
Hugh, I didn’t deny the existence of the joint disciplinary committee, or the union’s involvement on it. You asked me if I thought that demonstrated corruption. I don’t. Nor does the solicitor. Nor does anything else you’ve posted.
Why didn’t you bother showing up for work when you were supposed to?
Smiffy, you are a complete twit AND a PROVEN liar. I was railroaded and sacked by my corrupt union and the ex union chairman, Jim Austin, who I labeled a Judas Goat in the Andersontown News. My not turning up for work was a fabricated story. As I’ve explained elsewhere our ex union chairman [with trumped up charges] created a bad work record for any docker he or the employers wanted rid of, and he was then sacked.
Smithy, you and that pathetic Monte Joe Stalin have been exposed as liars and hypocrites who have MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone as their idols.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on which way you look at it, because the Employers and Unions PAY Fas and MoneyBeggs very well, they have become confused and are suffering from an identity crisis. Hence, they have very little grasp of day to day living, or on reality. This has led to a mental condition know as “Delusions of Grandeur”.
The first signs of this mental illness are showing in Joe Stalin and smiffy, due entirely to the pumping up of their egos by SIPTU. While it’s not their fault that SIPTU fill their heads with lies, and pretend that they belong to a workers union, it is their fault that when told the truth they don’t accept it.
While the delusions of MoneyBeggs are apparent – HE ACTUALLY expected Aer Lingus Directors to tell who they were bunging money to – THAT IS besides himself. Monte Joe Stalin, Fas McLoone and smiffy have a long way to go before their illusions are shattered. Although with the credit crunch, if the employers and government cut back on his directorships, and Fas has to live on his already exorbitant ICTU salary, he might decide that he’s a Trade Unionist after all. That means poor smiffy and Monte Joe Stalin won’t progress to the role of employers union men until the next boom.
You two should realise, anyone can be a YES MAN and denier of the Truth.
Terrible hard to get on here, what with all the trade unionists flocking to HughieCrybaby’s banner.
The only person with a mental illness is Mr CryBaby, was that why you failed to turn up for work Hugh, or were you out on the tear with your alter-ego, Defoe, and just couldn’t be bothered with work?
Get a life, man , you’re an embarrassment to humankind.
The only embarrassment here Monte Joe Stalin is you with your infantile supposed insults. You, and your Union’s inability to achieve Union recognition at Currans, coupled with your disgusting loud mouth were very useful as a vehicle for exposing SIPTU corruption on Cedar Lounge.
However, seeing Ceder Lounge [Political Blog Winner no less] has seen fit to censor my comments, I will continue to USE your feeble mind to ensure that SIPTU CORRUPTION is to the fore on this site.
Now – Monte Joe Stalin, hurl you best and most creative insults at me. Do your best with your limited vocabulary of swear words, mostly F;s and C’s to defend SIPTU CORRUPTION.
How the mighty have fallen, and how low. The fact that O’Connor and the SIPTU CORRUPTION can’t garner a better and more literate champion than you, Monte Joe Stalin, speaks volumes.
Monte Joe, let the curse words spew forth from your moronic neandathral lips.
Show everyone the level of SIPTU SOFISTACATION and debate – and what SIPTU degenerates to when an individual THINKS for himself and actually wants the Union to represent workers.
Monte Joe, the days of sucking up are past. The suck up Union Officials were useful to employers in the good times – FOR THEM – now they’re unnecessary.
This has been proved by the Aer Lingus attitude to MoneyBeggs. They told him nothing, and why should they – he’s only a Paid Lackey.
Monte Joe Stalin, the only chance for you to redeem yourself, is to stand up to the Employers Lackeys in your union. PROVE to Currans that you will get SIPTU recognition for the workers , AND prove to them that your Union is not an Employers Joke. Convince the workers that YOUR union no-longer SACKS workers and it is possible to advance in the union by fighting for Workers Rights, AND not just by sucking up.
Temper, temper, Hughie. You’re acting like a spoiled brat.
You claim that I’m a ‘PROVEN liar’. When have I lied? All I’ve said is that I agree with the solicitor that the existence of a joint disciplinary committee on which union representatives participated is not, in itself, evidence of corruption. Which it isn’t. Which is why O’Connor was right to say that the solicitor’s letter does not support your accusations.
F’s & C’s HughieCryBaby? Where? That’s your style, old man. As said before, pull up your trousers, you’re embarrassing yourself. You’ve exposed yourself thoroughly as a shirker who’d blame anyone but himself for the predicament he found himself in. You should have gone to work, not on the skite, expecting the union would cover up for you. Shame on you HughieCrybaby, shame, shame. It’s a good thing you posted the documents, it proves you a liar and fantasist. For shame, old man, for shame on you!
Just back after a short break and am again confronted by the apologists for Trade Union Corruption. Smiffy,not only are you a PROVEN LIAR, but you’re also a DISGUSTING LIAR. By omitting the first half of the solicitor’s statement you quoted from – that there was a JDC and the union did sack myself and other Dockers, you twisted the TRUTH and CREATED LIES. For you then to say, “Does this sound like an accurate reporting of the letter – yes it does” Is compounding the illegality of what you did and adding LIE upon LIE. This PROVES that you’re a SIPTU OFFICIAL.
You again TWIST the TRUTH until it becomes LIES, when you say: “The evidence of a Joint Disciplinary Committee in which the Union participated is not in itself evidence of corruption”. SHOW me this in the SIPTU RULEBOOK. BUT – what about when this PARTICIPATION leads to SACKINGS and deprives PAID UP MEMBERS of their LIVELEHOODS – is that NOT evidence of CORRUPTION. Why were we paying Union Dues – to be protected from the employers – OR to be protected from our own UNION…? How did Larking and Connolly’s Union ever become CORRUPTED by the Belfast employers…? I ask you, Smiffy, DO you think it corrupt for a Trade Union to sack its own members…? Straight answer, please.
Stop playing with words and TWISTING the TRUTH into LIES.
Least you forget, the solicitor WAS BEING PAID BY JACK O’CONNOR. And remember, O’Connor only engaged him to take legal action against me for calling him CORRUPT and telling the assembled hordes at several large meetings that O’Connor’s union SACKED its own members. WHY HAS HE DROPPED THE COURT ACTION…? Smiffy, both you and Monte Joe Stalin should demand that he take me to Court for calling him and his Union CORRUPT.
For Monte Joe Stalin and his SUPPOSSED answer to my above post, this just confirms everything I said. His infantile assertions ARE undoubtedly the work of a FEBBLE MIND but do they also hide something else…?
Monte Joe Stalin, has, several TIMES on this site AND Cedar Lounge, referred to my trousers being down. Is this a FREAUDIAN SLIP which gives an insight to the darkest reaches of his mind…?
OR is it simply – that because he [and rightly so] cannot find justification for HIS Trade Union SACKING ITS OWN MEMBERS, he’s searching for something to say, ANYTHING? Is he trying to convince the Curran Strikers – that, IF they achieve Union Recognition, SIPTU won’t persecute them with Heavy Fines and ultimately SACK THEM. Maybe HIS lack of success with the Curran Strikers is causing burn-out and he’s questioning Jack O’Connor’s strategy…? WHICH IS…?
Monte Joe, SEEING that you’re the CHAMPION of the Curran Strikers – [if you try hard your weak mind should cope] – JUST for one moment imagine how they’d they feel if you joined the employers and sacked them, just the way the Belfast Chairman Jim Austin did with the Belfast Dockers…? I’m not suggesting for one minute that Currans would want such a Stalwart Trade Unionist who believes in the ideals of Larkin and Connolly over the greedy principles of MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone – but try and put aside your imbecilic and SIPTU sucking nature for a moment and think how’s they’d feel…?
Also – Monte Joe’s, your continual reference to me in a derogatory sense, as an OLD MAN – shows just what sort of Trade Unionist and man you are. While I’m perfectly capable of standing up for myself I dread to think of others who are not so lucky. Remember Leas Cross. I’m sure WBS and all the other cover up Trade Unionists on Cedar Lounge would agree, that, ELDER ABUSE IS AS REPUGNANT AS CHILD ABUSE. Although, with your FREUDIAN SLIP – I’ll leave you to ponder on this.
Hugh, you’re acting like a spoiled child, throwing its toys out of the pram.
I haven’t denied that the JDC existed, and the union was a member of it. As the JDC made the decision to terminate your employment – as far as I can tell – then, yes, the union – among others – effectively sacked you. That’s not in dispute. So where am I lying?
What is in dispute is whether this constitutes corruption. I don’t see that it does. I don’t have a SIPTU rulebook as I’m not, and never have been, a member of that union. As an expert on SIPTU yourself, however, perhaps you can show me where in said rulebook it does state that participation on disciplinary councils actually constitutes corruption.
You ask if I think it is corrupt for a Trade Union to sack its own members. I’ve already told you what I think, but I’ll repeat it. The answer is no, not necessarily. Is that straight enough for you, or are you so feeble-minded to believe that any opinion that contradicts your own, even a subjective opinion, is – ipso facto – a lie?
HughyCrybaby, if you bothered your arse to turn up for work you wouldn’t have been the subject of disciplinary proceedings. You’re still trying to blame ‘the union’ for your own mistakes. You obviously had no support at the time. This is now your little pet subject, which no one has any interest in except yourself, despite your trailing the issues through every possible blog. You’ve tried to get everyone from DeRossa, Higgins, and even that paragon of left wing thinking McWilliams to rally to your cause, with no success. Banned wherever you go, everyone sick of you.
Like I said, pull up the trousers, old man, find a hobby. The horse you’ve been riding’s clapped out, your documents proved it.
Joe Stalin, to deny the Truth and Proof enshrined in the traitorous documents which prove once and for all that YOUR union, acted corruptly, and with malice aforethought, in concert with the Belfast employers to deprive the Dockers of the means to feed their families, shows exactly what sort of YES MAN you are.
Good solid supporters of Larkin and Connolly they were, just like O’Connor and SIPTU.
Smiffy, you are obviously lying because you deny that my union sacking the Belfast Dockers was a CORRUPTION. Anyone, even the most Right Wing people I’ve spoken to have agreed that a Trade Union cannot sack its own members, SIMPLY because it does not employ them. To do so – and its proven by the documents, [which you agree show this] is for the Trade Union to engage in a Criminal Conspiracy to deprive the Belfast Dockers of their livelihoods. For you to deny this smiffy means either you’re completely daft or you’ve a vested interest. Obviously you’re not daft but you are telling UNTRUTHS.
For you to deny its corrupt for a Trade Union to sack its own members IS like saying it’s not corrupt for High Court Judge to take bribes, or for a member of ICTU to sit on the board of Central Bank, Aer Lingus or Fas. Your excuses smiffy are a denial of corruption and the truth AND therefore deliberate lies.
Obviously you have a vested interest in retaining the old order, ie money and power.
You both hide behind nom de plumes and expect me to take at face value who you claim to be. Obviously Joe Stalin is a Union Official who professes to value working class solidarity and cohesion which was enshrined in the old ITGWU but has been lost with SIPTU – yet he can’t achieve Union Recognition for the Curran Strikers. He must feel a real failure, especially when SIPTU won’t support him, and them.
As for you smiffy, you’re a right wing dictator who watches in disbelief as the solid ground of capitalism sinks beneath the weight t of its own corruption. I believe you’re one of the white collar supposed high flyers [probably a middle ranking bank official] recruited by SIPTU when it sold out the workers, Larkin and Connolly and changed its name. Unfortunately for you the bosses above you exploited capitalism for their own ends and bankrupted the country. This leaves you – embittered and going nowhere in the bank because of the new restrictions, AND going nowhere in the union because you believed all their hype.
I suppose what happened in the Banks wasn’t corruption either, smiffy.
There’s too many in the Trade Unions and ICTU, waiting to sell out for a place on the boards of a companies, for either you or Monte Joe Stalin to get a position any time soon.
A Trade Union’s only reason for existence, OR should be, is the protecting of its members interests. When it deviates from that ideal by one iota it is not doing its job properly. BUT when it deviates to the scale of Monte Joe Stalin’s union, and persecuted and sackedit’s own members for the employers, there can be no other word for this than CORRUPTION. AND THAT’S whether you agree or not, smiffy.
Smiffy, it’s strange that neither you of Monte Joe have referred to the documents relating to the union fining the Belfast Dockers large sums of money. Was not this not anti working class – as is the whole Union now…?
Ah, Hughie crybaby, first Smiffy is a “proven liar” & “disgusting liar”, plus a “SIPTU Official”, now he’s a bank clerk!
Nothing like a bit a consistancy, huh? Just like your interpretations. If you had even the smallest shred of right on your side, it’d have been over long ago.
Stay off the sauce old man, find another interest to keep you occupied. Don’t forget to pull up the trousers too!
Monte Joe Stalin, for your information I said middle ranking bank official. Can middle ranking bank officials not be SIPTU officials…? Is it only ICTU officials who can have many jobs…? Yes smiffy is a proven and disgusting liar just as you’re a proven and self admitting abuser of senior citizens. I see your Freudian Slip is showing again. Are you really so stupid, that all you can think to say in reply, exposes your disgusting and abusive nature…?
Instead of mouthing off like a non entity, try and show some insight into the matters I raised. But of course you can’t. You can’t fight for the Curran Strikers because your CORRUPT UNION won’t fight for them – you can’t defend your CORRUPT UNION because both you and it are CORRUPT – and you won’t say a word about ICTU and their sell out of the workers because YOU belong to a CORRPT UNION and want to join ICTU and be well paid also for selling out.
Joe Stalin, you’re a pathetic excuse for a Trade Unionist and a union leader. Is that favourite comment of yours what you tell the Curran Strikers when they ask, for help from SIPTU – “Pull up your trousers”.
You know that the sacked Belfast Dockers had – and have right on their side. That is the ones still alive who haven’t died from Asbestosis. The reason this corruption has taken so long to see the light of day is because of CORRUPT UNION OFFICIALS. A previous general secretary, when told of his union’s corruption, said: “My insulting letters would not keep him from sleeping at night. You Monte Joe Stalin are as CORRUPT as past union leaders. If it was in your power this again would be swept under the carpet – to join your principles and morals.
Remember what I said. If I TELL ONE WORD OF A LIE, let Jack O’Connor and SIPTU take me to Court. OR – BETTER still Joe Stalin WHY don’t you and smiffy take me to Court and make me eat my words. If smiffy is not a Disgusting and Proven Liar and you not an O’Connor’ Puppet, you two should take me to Court to clear your names and the name of SIPTU. No doubt SIPTU WILL FUND YOU.
I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES, AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE RECORD SIPTU IS CORRUPT. NOW TAKE ME TO COURT TO CLEAR YOUR NAMES, JACK O’CONNOR’S NAME AND ANYONE IN SIPTU WHO IS AFRONTED BY HAVING THEIR CHARACTERS BLACKENED.
You should really lay off the alcohol before you log on, old man. As for being abusive, well, you are definitely the King there, old boy. Buy a belt, get a life!
Well Hugh, I don’t think I need to take you to court about your claim that I’m a PROVEN and DISGUSTING liar, given that all you’ve presented as evidence to support this is the fact that I disagree with you about whether union participation in a joint disciplinary committee, with the power to dismiss workers, constitutes corruption. You really need to try and distinguish between opinion and fact. I’m stating that, in my opinion, it isn’t corruption. Therefore, the only way I could be lying is if I really held the view that it was definitely corrupt but for some reason known only to myself decided to claim otherwise. I’d have to be as mental as you to try that.
In addition, I’d note some other reasons not to take you the court:
- Even I was to pursue an action, and win, it’s unlikely that your personal assets would even cover the cost of my fees.
- As I’ve already explained to you, I have no association with SIPTU so I couldn’t care less whether you libel them or not. The only reason I decided to take you up on your claims is because I found the way you spammed the Cedar Lounge site very irritating. It’s not that I like or support SIPTU, you see; I just don’t like you.
- This may shock you, but smiffy isn’t my real name. Why, therefore, should I need to clear my “name” in court?
Smiffy, obviously smiffy isn’t your real name, you haven’t got the courage of your supposed opinion [I won't call it a conviction] to use your own name.
Again you muddy the waters. I HAVE PROVED THAT MY TRADE UNION SACKED THE BELFAST DOCKERS, and you agreed with this. BECAUSE MY UNION did not EMPLOY the Dockers it did not have the power to do this – and therefore it was a Criminal Conspiracy For you to deny that this was Corruption is just like saying what the Banks have done is not Corruption.
YOU are too intelligent to deny that what happened at Belfast Docks WAS NOT corruption, yet you do so. IS THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRCY THE REAL REASON…? WHY are you arguing something which you know to be patently untrue and a disgusting LIE. Who are you touching the forelock to, D-D or WBS…?
YOU, for whatever reason [and I presume its a good one] are trying to argue through semantics that it’s not corrupt for a Union to sack its own members with employers. So, tell me what you think of this union sacking three Dockers on its own, Short, Quinn and Turner. WOULD you agree smiffy that this was corruption…?
Smiffy, it saddens me greatly that you don’t like me, I really like you and Monte Joe Stalin and am indebted to you both. Without Right Wing detractors of the truth I’d have found it difficult to get exposure for CORRUPT SIPTU.
Monte Joe Stalin, Belts Trousers stop giving away your innermost thoughts and start doing something for the Curran Strikes. Or at the very least try and say something that intelligent. It might be hard but try. No luck trying to get O’Connor to sue me…? I suppose it’s like water off a Ducks Back, telling someone who is corrupt THAT they are corrupt – Corrupt Monte Joe Stalin.
“Again you muddy the waters. I HAVE PROVED THAT MY TRADE UNION SACKED THE BELFAST DOCKERS, and you agreed with this. ”
No, I agreed that they participated in the joint disciplinary committee, which had the power to dismiss workers. And the only Belfast docker we’re discussing – because it’s the only Belfast docker in relation to which you have provided supporting documentation – is you. Let’s avoid the plural unless you can support your claims, shall we?
“BECAUSE MY UNION did not EMPLOY the Dockers it did not have the power to do this – and therefore it was a Criminal Conspiracy”
Didn’t it have the power to do so by virtue of its participation on the joint disciplinary committee? If it was criminal – as you assert – then why didn’t you pursue the matter legally?
” For you to deny that this was Corruption is just like saying what the Banks have done is not Corruption. ”
No it isn’t, given that the situations are completely different and not in any way comparable.
“YOU, for whatever reason [and I presume its a good one] are trying to argue through semantics that it’s not corrupt for a Union to sack its own members with employers.”
If by ’semantics’ you mean ‘words and their meaning’ then yes, absolutely. The reason I am arguing this point is that I understand the meaning of the word corruption and I don’t see how participation in the joint disciplinary committee, while it might be ill-advised and contrary to best practice, is, in itself, necessarily corrupt or evidence of corruption.
You need to provide additional documentary evidence (your say-so just doesn’t cut the mustard, I’m afraid) if you want your allegations of corruption to hold up.
Again you muddy the waters, What more proof do you need that the evidence of your own eyes. The proof of Trade Union Corruption is contained in the DEPO documents relating to my sacking. Smiffy, I know you can’t find anything wrong with a Trade Union sacking its own members, but I can tell you it’s not what a Trade Union is supposed to do. ASK D-D or WBS, but not in print if you really want the truth.
For you to deny there was a Criminal Conspiracy to deprive the Dockers of their Livelihoods, after reading the proof – means there’s no hope for you. YOU CANNNOT THINK FOR YOURSELF. And whether you choose to believe it or not – it was for exactly the same reason that the Banks fiasco occurred, Greed and Money.
Was this what James Connolly fought and died for – so that ITGWU could take over the persecution of the Irish Working Class…?
Obviously, smiffy, while you know the Truth, you will not accept that a Trade Union’s participation in a Joint Disciplinary Committee IS Corruption and a betrayal of everything which Larkin, Connolly and the founders of the Irish Trade Union Movement fought for. Why were Union Members paying Union Dues…?
This Joint Disciplinary Committee had a mandate from no workers to be established. The people who formed it were employers and renegade Trade Unionists who were well paid with good positions – like the ex Union chairman. For some unknown reason, smiffy, while the corruption of these people is too much for you to stomach, maybe their Treachery will be more acceptable to you.
If you read the Ruling from the Industrial Tribunal you’ll see that the JDC did not have the right to sack anyone. The Industrial Tribunal Chairman Ruled that the Dockers had no Contact of Employment and that from now on “A notice of dismissal shall be such notice as conforms with the requirements of Section [1] of the Act”. He stated that this would stop our union from sacking the Dockers. It didn’t.
HughieCryBaby, you can’t even prove anything that the union was involved in was criminal, never mind a criminal conspiracy. What is becoming clearer is that you were a shirker, workshy, and determined to blame ‘the union’ for your own failings. You took no cases, and let the matter drop for years. Cop on man, pull up the trousers and stop humiliating yourself. As for spreading the ‘word’ of SIPTU corruption, you haven’t exactly fared well, no one’s interested. Galling for you I’d say, after all the trouble you went through. Ah well……
You silly little man, Monte Joe Stalin. HOW CAN a Trade Union sacking its own members NOT be Criminal – and when this is done with the employers to appease the employers HOW can this NOT be a Criminal Conspiracy…? With morals and scruples like yours, you’re a pathetic YES MAN for SIPTU. Now I know why you’re fixated with ‘trousers being dropped’ – they’re your own and you’re bent over.
Contary to what you say, I would think the Curran Strikes are very interested in the sort of GOMBEEN union they’ve joined. But, I suppose by now they’ve realised that SIPTU is as effectual against employers -as Monte Joe Stalin is with his ramblings. What do they think Joe Stalin, of their Union sacking its own members…?
The only reason that I’ve had limited success – so far – is not because of any lacking of Truth about SIPTU Corruption in what I say, BUT because of the strength and corruption of the Union.
Monte Joe Stalin, the only person being humiliated here is yourself AND you are the cause of your own humiliation. What sort of Trade Unionist defends corrupt Trade Unionism EXCEPT a corrupt Trade Unionist. I’m sure the Curran Strikers ARE all too aware of this.
Joe Stalin, I have told Jack O’Connor THREE TIMES to his face that he’s Corrupt and is covering up Corruption. At De Rossa’s Race to the Bottom meeting in the EU offices during the Irish Ferries debacle, in Crawdaddy in front of David McWilliams, and the May Day rally in Belfast when I climbed onto the platform and pulled the Mike from his hand – they turned it off and only a few people near the platform heard of the corruption of O’Connor and his union. Joe Stalin, give me your real name and I will tell you that you are also corrupt and covering up corruption for your defence of O’Connor. YOU can then TAKE ME to court for slandering, defaming and blackening your character. WHY will neither you or O’Connor do this…?
Joe Stalin, when I do eventually get Justice for the Belfast Dockers I will have a lot to thank you for. Without your rabid, diabolical, nonsensical and plain stupid defence of SIPTU in the face of overwhelming evidence of their corruption, I could not have got the attention this Corrupt Union deserved.
HughieCrybaby, you’re something else. Your flaccid rants reflect your true self, impotent ravings of an old bitter man, long past making any contribution to society. You poor old thing, boasting of your petty confrontations, is that the best you could do? Fold your tent and pull up your kaks, for as you can see over the lasr few years of your one man whinge, no one is rallying to your standard. Take the hint, all you’ve done is exposed yourself to ridicule from all quarters.
Monte Joe Stalin, as you are quite aware, my reporting of my fact to face confrontations with your Corrupt God, O’Connor were not boasting, what is there to boast about – but to show you that LIKE YOU Jack O’Connor is covering up Corruption. I’ve challenged him many times to take me to Court if my accusations are UNTRUE.
You and I – and anyone reading this, [including the so-called Trade Unionists on Cedar Lounge] know he won’t.
Your infantile defence of SIPTU and O’Connor exposes completely your sycophant nature, which is to be expected from someone whose principles are bought and paid for.
IF SIPTU AND O’CONNOR ARE RIGHT AND A TRADE UNION CAN SACK IT’S OWN MEMBERS WHENEVER THE EMPLOYERS DESIRE IT, LET THEM TAKE ME TO COURT FOR CALLING THEM CORRUPT.
It seems that smiffy and the moronic Monty Joe Stalin have realised that defending the corruption of SIPTU is actually drawing attention to the corruption OF SIPTU.
Thank you for finally accepting that your Union SIPTU is corrupt – NOW maybe you’ll accept that you yourself are also corrupt: not just for your support of corruption but because of the lies you tell the Curran Strikers.
Where’d I say that, Crybaby? Nowhere. The only corruption discernible is your corruption of the events leading to the termination of your employment. Note again, no one’s interested, on any blog, anywhere, and you were dumb enough to post the letters showing that you are indeed an ass. You’re more to be pitied than anything else, especially as you appear to have no dignity.
You speak to me of Dignity?! You crawling little sycophant of sycophants. Jack O’Connor and SIPTU ARE Corrupt and are covering up CORRUPTION and the proud traditions of Trade Unionism have been replaced by crawling little worms, who like yourself, must swallow being called CORRUPT because they are CORRUPT and can therefore do nothing about it.
Just as a matter of interest, what do you tell the Curran Strikers when SUCKTO won’t support them O Corrupt One…?
Heh, you ass, keep it up, humiliate yourself some more. The best laugh the Curran strikers got was when they had your posts translated! An ass is an ass no matter where they originate, and boy do you prove it, as has the complete lack of interest in your fabricated issues.Pull ‘em up Crybaby, pull ‘em up!, Please answer, pretty please!
Why can you – a scurrilous little toe rag, not address your corruption and that of SIPTU…? Come on, lets hear you defend the selling out of Larkin and Connolly, AGAIN. Lets hear how the SIPTU led so – called Partnership freed the workers from Wage Slavery and guaranteed them Jobs for Life…? Lets hear from Monte Joe Stalin how keeping wages low WAS good for the country and would guarantee prosperity far into the future…?
Monte Joe Stalin, explain how so-called Partnership DID NOT benefit Union Leaders but benefited the workers…? Ha!!!
Joe Stalin – YOU might as well defend the Corrupt Bankers as defend SIPTU, but keep sucking you might still be in with a chance to attain the well paid Traitroship that you desire.
If ICTU and SIPTU can convince enough workers that they did not profit from their sell out, but acted only in good faith – [the money and seats in boardrooms was only incidental] they may keep their well paid positions and even need more Trade Unionists to sell out the next time. No doubt Monte Joe Stalin, with your total lack Trade Union principles, ethics or moral fibre you’ll be a certainty for one of the jobs. Why should you worry about Larkin or Connolly, no-one at the top of Trade Unionism does either.
Lets have one of your brown-nosing guttersnipe comments that will make Jack O’Connor, SIPTU and ICTU proud of you. Do your best. After drawing attention to SIPTU and ICTU CORRUPTION – your suck up future in the Union depends on it.
Even your former ally Daniel Defoe, with whom you’re apparently in contact, has withdrawn his support for you. I suppose he is trying to hide SIPTU corruption as well, is he?
Dear smiffy, have you noticed how Monte Joe Stalin’s childishness has been reduced to the size of his mentality.
The TRUTH needs no support.
That SIPTU, Jack O’Connor and ICTU are corrupt and are covering up corruption is beyond doubt. This has ramifications in today’s crisis. Because of the slavish bureaucracy enshrined in the Union leadership they are allowing the government to bail out banks for billions while nothing is going towards creating sustainable jobs.
A WORKERS BANK should be created with the Bankers Billions – from which money can be borrowed to get the country back to work. The planned roads would not have to be scrapped and Hospitals, Schools and day nurseries built to accommodate working mothers. Banks that have got into difficulty through greed should be allowed to go bust – with the government guaranteeing the savers money by placing the equivalent in The Workers Bank.
Ireland can WORK and PAY itself out of recession once it dumps the massive amounts of money its paying to prop up the people who caused the crisis. Trade Unionists in ICTU and SIPTU know this but are too afraid to say it. WBS, D-D and all the other so-called Trade Unionists on the FRAUD winning Cedar Lounge know, this but like Monte Joe Stalin don’t want to jepodise their future cosy well paid directorships on ICTU and IBEC.
SO smiffy, while I’m prepared to “let it go” unfortunately the CORRUPTION which started in Trade Unionism at Belfast Docks WILL NOT let go but instead perpetuates itself. To STOP IT someone in the higher echelons of Trade Unionism will have to put his head on the Chopping Block and say “THIS MUST STOP. We are proclaiming to represent workers and all we do is represent the employers and prop up banks [by not taking strike action to force the government to allow the corrupt banks to go under] we must get back to the roots of Larkin and Connolly.”
No doubt, smiffy, this is above the limited intellect of Monte Joe Stalin, who, in all probability will grunt a few enlightening Freudian glimpses into the darkest recesses of his mind, in reply.
Looks like you’re in agreement with points 2 & 10 of ICTU’s “There is a Better Fairer Way” then, Crybaby, at least to some extent!
It’d be interesting to know the banks you consider did not get into trouble through greed. Perhaps your pal McWilliams can help you out there.
You should also contact the CIF, IBEC & ISME, just to let them know ICTU is doing their job for them, representing employer., Now that Hughie Crybaby has enlightened the employers (who, like trade unionists, hang on his every word of wisdom) to this, it’ll only be a matter of time before their members stop subscriptions, sure why would they pay for what they’re getting for free. in this era of cost savings? You might even put in for a slice yourself! Sure you might as well dust off the auld CV and apply for O’Sullivan’s job in IBEC.
Is included, Monte Joe Stalin, the need to curb ICTU’s greed. I don’t hear ICTU complaining about the recent million euro pay off – how can they…?
Actually, I think you give me more credence that I deserve. The only people “who hang on my words of wisdom” are the one’s with Open Minds – which obviously doesn’t include you. Lickspittal, Toady and betrayer of Larkin and Connolly are what dictates your actions – as the Curran Strikers know only too well.
Let’s hear from Monte Joe Stalin, identity unknown, that he would support a Workers Bank and fairness in the corrupt world of finance. Let’s hear that Monte Joe Stalin believes that the Workers should not Pay the massive salaries and bonuses that Corrupt Bankers are receiving. Lets hear from Monte Joe that the Trade Union Movemen has the right to have a REPRESENTIVE inside the banking systen to ensure that this doesn’t happen again. Lets hear from Joe Stalin that these bank directors are sacked in disgrace without getting a penny and NOT rewarded for failure!
OOPS – I forgot MoneyBeggs is a Director of Central Bank.
Has someone enlightened you – that your Freudian Slips are giving away your devious and infantile inclinations…? Such as, sucking up to ICTU who – because of their present day greed and ignoring the Trade Union Corruption in Belfast, are directly responsible for what has happened here. I will say it again Monte Joe Stalin – NO-ONE ESPECIALLY A TRADE UNIONIST CAN RIDE TWO HORSES. WHEN THEY DO THE WORKERS SUFFER AND ARE SOLD OUT.
As usual, Crybaby, when your pants are around your ankles, you’ll always trip up, sums you up completely. You’re rumbled again, spouting incoherence-look again at the ICTU document, look again at the turnout on the streets, look again at the engagement of ordinary working people at the coalface through their unions-then compare with the engagement with you. Nothing. Nil. You’re a non entity, a Crybaby, a shirker, an ally of the bosses, who also shirk their responsibilities. Poor sap, bollock naked, pretending you wear the cloths of rightiousness. Head back to the pub, with your alter ego, and drink deep, it’s all you’re good for.
“OOPS – I forgot MoneyBeggs is a Director of Central Bank.”
Hang on, Hugh. I’m also a director of the Central Bank. I won’t hear a bad word said about our good and sterling work in the face of adversity, and that includes my friend and colleague, David.
Good to see that Monte Joe Stalin’s sucking up to ICTU hasn’t changed. Could it possibly have anything to do with the capitulation of ICTU which I promised would happen – on the award winning political censorship blog, Cedar Lounge. He was getting worried there, it seemed that the Trade Union Movement was going to jepordise his chances of a well paid directorship for MIS-LEADING the Curran Strikers.
Why will Joe Stalin not address the issues I’ve raised…? By ignoring what I’ve written, he obviously finds nothing wrong with the higher echelons of Trade Unionism being paid by the employers and having multiple positions AND Pensions – whereby they SELL OUT the workers. This is called C.A.P. by corrupt employers and full details are given on 314 of the censorship blog.
Only someone as consumed with hatred as Monte Joe Stalin seems to be, could expose himself and his despicable nature, not to mention his favourite yearnings which – hopefully – haven’t progressed beyond the Anal Stage of human development. This is shown completely by his continual reference to ” Trousers Down”. I wonder what that is in Polish…?
When the Strikers go back to Poland they can tell the officials of Solidarity that the were sold out by employers lackeys and sabre rattlers who lead the Trade Unions in Ireland – and the appropriately named – Trousers Down.
Is there no end to the nonsensical uttering of this O’Connor and SIPTU suckup?
Monte joe Stalin, now that the “planned” never to happen strike is off the duplicitous agenda, CANCELLED by the employers through their HENCHMEN MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone, even a BLIND Trade Unionists such as yourself, WBS and all the other pro SIPTU dictators on Censorship Lounge, MUST SEE – THIS WAS PLANNED to demoralise Trade Unionists, so, that whatever new scandals are exposed, or draconian measures imposed in the future, they won’t open their mouths.
And such horror – bankers salaries may be capped at 500,000 a year.
Joe Stalin, how much Tax do these fine upstanding Trade Unionists pay in Tax on their many salaries…? I know you want to join the RICH MAN’S CLUB OF ICTU, and therefore will not endanger your standing in SUCKTO by fighting for TRADE UNION RIGHTS for the Curran Strikers, BUT – would you at least TRY and say something that sounds intelligent. You’d be far better remaining quiet that coming out with this drivel. I know MoneyBags, Fas McLoone, Jack O’Connor and SUCKTO have left you with nothing plausible to say – but surely you can invent something…?
I will leave the tissue of lies up to you.
Monte Joe, the writings on the wall for these Gombeen Men. When the lowest of the low have to take pay cuts, why do the highest Trade Unionists in the land still have multiple salaried treacherous positions with the employers. AND – positions wherein they had the power to say STOP when this capitalist roller-coaster threatened – and finally did get out of control. These so-called Trade Unionists do not even bother to disguise the fact THAT THEY ARE NOT TRADE UNIONISTS – AND IN FACT ARE IN THE PAY OF THE EMPLOYERS.
Remember what Abraham Lincoln said: ” You may fool some of the people all of the time – OR all of the people some of the time – BUT you will never fool ALL of the people ALL of the time”.
Why don’t YOU Monte Joe, lead the Curran Strikers on a Long March to Liberty Hall, DEMANDING that your UNION take action to achieve Union Membership for all who want it…? The TROUBLE IS with Trade Unionists like MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone running the Unions, WHO will want it…?
Yes indeed, dispute resolved weeks ago. Not that you ever cared Crybabyman. They thank you for your irrelevant comments, and the amusement you provided at the beginning of the dispute. Laughter is good for all.
But are they happy being represented by corrupt money grabbing dictators who’s only God is money and the only aspirations they hold dear, are to sell out workers and join the rich man’s club of ICTU.
On what grounds was the dispute settled? Did they receive the fantastic Trade Union Representation from you and your corrupt Trade Union that the Belfast Dockers received? OR did they receive the fantastically brilliant representation that you union maintains at Ryanair. Keep sucking up you pathetic excuse for a man and a Trade Unionist. When you’ve sucked your way to the top of union corruption – ICTU, and are being well paid by the employers to sell out workers, as you sit in the boardrooms with them, YOU can demand that the next generation from SUCKUP COLLAGE suck up to you.
Have a happy life sucking up, you unprincipled waster. Why did YOUand your union bother celebrating the 100th anniversary when everything which Larkin and Connolly stood for is betrayed by Union Leaders?
Because of your supposed dumbness and blindness – will state again YOU are CORRUPT For what SIPTU is covering up in Belfast, whereby YOUR union deprived WORKERS of the means to feed their families – and drove countless thousands to their DEATHS, YOUR UNION IS CORRUPT. For also covering up this CORRUPTION – ICTU is CORRUPT. I can’t say it any clearer than that.
By their inaction on my previous comments, even someone with your slavish mentality must see that JACK O’CONNOR, DAVID BEGG AND PETER McLOONE ARE UNDENIABLEY CORRUPT. They are being well paid, Joe Stalin,so insults are ‘like water off a Ducks back’ to them, But as YOU haven’t yet achieved the pinnacle of corruption within the TU movement where money insulates you from insults, WHY don’t you TAKE ME TO COURT. THAT IS – IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOUR UNION IS NOT CORRUPT.
Methinks, that while you know exactly what your union is guilty of, the greed and power that goes with a top position on ICTU will take precedence over standing up like a man – in the image of Larkin and Connolly and demanding an END to corruption in your union – and ICTU.
Try and face reality you and your suckup union have sold out. Again your infantile insults have shown your corrupt nature. If you were an HONEST MAN who belonged to an HONEST UNION you wouldn’t take my insults? You’d demand that I either prove what I say or suffer the consequences. TRY and get the very WEALTHY TRADE UNIONISTS in SIPTU or ICTU who I’ve also called CORRUP to support you in your court case against me.
Your are in good company Joe Stalin. Corruption breeds corruption and you are suckling at the breast of the EVIL CORRUPTION which has sold out the workers of Ireland. Larkin and Connolly could have never envisaged that the Trade Union Movement in Ireland would ever be led by employers masquerading as Union Leaders, or that the ONCE GREAT ITGWU would persecute and SACK MEMBERS OF ITS OWN UNION.
Monte Joe, for you to belong to this corruption shows just what sort of lying little sycophant you are. Again, I ask you, try and be intelligent with your answers and not speak like a guttersnipe, it only shows your stupidity. But then, I suppose, if intelligence is not in you it can’t come out of you – and that’s why your so good at sucking up.
BE A MAN. You didn’t answer my question: did the Curran Strikers achieve Union Recognition, OR Ryanair Union Recognition…?
Like I said, your documents show you’re the corrupt one, not the union. I’m not an official, I’ve no insight into the Curran resolution, but I know they were satisfied. If you’re so worried, contact them yourself. By the way, every post you make reinforces your rep as the No 1 Asshole on the island. Have some dignity man, though I suspect you prefer your ankles warm.
Monte Joe, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel talking to you. Where’s smiffy…? Has he realised – like the SIPTU supporting Political Blog Winners on Censorship Lounge, that this thread is highly embarrassing to Jack O’Connor, SIPTU and ICTU.
You say “I’ve no insight into the Curran resolution but I know they were satisfied”. HOW…? Did it come to you in a dream, or did the WELL PAID TRADE UNIONISTS who work for the employers in SIPTU and ICTU, TELL YOU. IF the Curran Strikers are “satisfied” why did THEY not tell you…?
Again your limited vocabulary has exposed your limitations and inclinations. If the documents I’ve posted are of no consequence – why have SIPTU, ICTU and indeed yourself not taken me to Court to SUPPORT your claims of INNOCENCE.
IF I named a leader of IBEC – AND IBEC ITSELF -and accused THEM of CORRUPTION, and posted on the web documents purporting to PROVE this corruption, IBEC would have me in Court before you could say JACK O’CONNOR.
The reason dear BONEHEAD, that I’m not in COURT is because SIPTU, O’Connor and ICTU are CORRUPT. Monte Joe, while you plead that you’re not a Union Official, even someone as intellectually challenged as yourself MUST realise, that: A TRADE UNION MUST NOT – AND SHOULD NOT COLLOBARATE WITH THE EMPLOYERS TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT IT SACKS ITS OWN MEMBERS – OR DRIVES ITS MEMBERS TO THEIR DEATHS BY MAKEING THEM DISCHARGE ASBESTOS WITHOUT PROTECTION – TO SAVE THE EMPLOYERS MONEY. OR SIMPLY PERSECUTES ITS OWN MEMBERS BY FINEING THEM LARGE SUMS OF MONEY – FOR THE EMPLOYERS.
I have put the above in capitals in the hope you will understand it. Silly me, I was forgetting the proof is on the web. http://www.corruptsiptu.co.uk
Now, Monte Joe, for any TRADE UNIOINIST who agrees with the above, AS YOU OBVIOUSLY DO, to paraphrase you, they’re ASS—–.
While your defence of this abomination of Trade Unionism is DISGUSTING, SO too is Jack O’Connor’s cover up of it. SIPTU has gone from being a workers organisation to an employers play-thing and the reason O’Connor or SIPTU won’t sue me is because everything I say, and more is TRUE. Monte Joe SUCKUP, YOU need only read the letter from O’Connors Belfast solicitor telling him that his UNION DID SACK ITS OWN MEMBERS to know this.
Monte Joe, seeing you’re UNABLE TO grasp this simple fact, maybe some of the Curran TRADE UNIOINISTS could explain it to you.
This thread embarrasses no one except yourself, no one else comments or reads it. Sure I’m only here for amusement! One or two lines provokes the most hilarious drivel from you old man. You poor old fool, posting the letters was the best thing ever, it proved you’ve no basis for your spittle flecked rants!
By the way, the strikers did tell me they were happy with SIPTU, and maintain their membership. I’m not privy to the deal that ended the dispute. They once again thank you for the amusement you provided, they say there’s old men like you back in Poland too, living in the past, ranting away.
At least your ankles are cosy, ranting away at the back of the Court you love so much.
There’s no fool like a CORRUPT FOOL, that is unless he’s a SIPTU defender like yourself who has another agenda. Even such a dyed in the wool Stalinlist must see, ‘now that workers are losing their jobs in droves’ that a Trade Union’s job is to protect the jobs of Union Members, NOT sack them for the employers.
If your only answer to this TRUTH is to descend into facile, infantile and ageist comments as a means to avoid answering the points I’ve raised, then you’re obviously NO BETTER that the Belfast Union Chairman who sold out the Belfast Dockers and joined employers. Keep sucking up to Jack O’Connor, no doubt he’ll reward you with a plum Union Job. Had you used your real name in your sycophantic mutterings then I – and union members would know when you’ve been rewarded.
The most apparent and scurrilous thing to be exposed by your defence of Jack O’Connor’s, SIPTU’ s and ICTU corruption – IS – that you’re proud of their achievements. How sad. You should accompany O’Connor the next time he visits Larkin’s grave – TRAITORS of the working class, together.
Why are you, Jack O’Connor, David Beggs so afraid of the Court – that you claim I love so much…? YOU ARE ALL CORRUPT TRAITORS. Too afraid to PROTECT YOUR SUPPOSSED GOOD NAMES.
Come on Monte Joe Stalin, lets have another STUPID JOKE which deflects from your traitorous activities. WITHOUT YOUR GOOD NAME YOU ARE NOTHING. You know this and so do the above mentioned – but of course, YOU don’t USE your real name.
The only interest you have in anything or anyone – is the interest on the money you will get – from selling them out.
Like the corruption you serve, SIPTU – ICTU – one day you disgusting Lickspittals will be exposed as the Traitors to the working class that you are.
Unfortunately, when an employer leads a Trade Union the workers are kept in line by the Monte Joe Stalins of this world, until, like what happened in Belfast happens here. ALL THE WORKERS ARE SACKED by the EMPLOYER/TRADE UNION.
How much will you need to be paid before you sack union members…? Very little I assume, you’ll do it for the power.
Please stop showing how infantile you are and answer a questioned of you. Why should a Trade Union sack its own members…?
The poor old codger doesn’t get out much, he needs to feel relevant. Not that he is, but he’s an easy rise. It’s cruel really I suppose. Wait’ll you see the next post he makes!
Well Joe Stalin, I’m probably the only person you’ve corresponded with in years that has principles. Unlike you, O’Connor and ICTU I couldn’t be bought. You, they and the Trade Union Leadership in Ireland are a joke. Where is the massive rallies protesting against this Rich Man’s Budget.
Instead of making infantile comments about me, why aren’t you demanding that your union, SUCKTO, rise up and say NO – “you cannot use workers taxes to buy the BAD DEBTS off the banks”. The workers are being screwed and screwed and screwed, AND O’Connor SUCKTO and ICTU are delighted because they’re a part of the corruption which caused this crisis. While the bankers wheeled and dealed SUCKTO and ICTU kept the workers quiet.
Before making any more Psyche revealing comment to me, Joe Stalin, ask your corrupt masters in SUCKTO, what guarantee have they given that the workers will pay for the bankers blunders…? And while you’re at it, ask David Begg does he still work for Central Bank and Aer Lingus.
Joe Stalin, with betrayers of Socialism – Larkin and Connolly like you in the union O’Connor and ICTU know they can do what ever they want to workers.
Glad to see you’re looking forward to my next post – I don’t know why as I continually expose you and your corrupt union for the employers toe rags you are. The TRUTH HURTS and it HURTS money grabbing sycophantic YES MEN who lead the workers while in the employers PAY and pocket, even more.
Not that you or they are embarrassed by the TRUTH – but like David Begg and ICTU you’d rather not answer any embarrassing questions which could revel your real intentions AND your lack of principles.
See, told ja he’s an easy rise. Like shooting fish in a barrel. All repetition though, he has it written on a card somewhere…. ( not a union card though!)
The reason it’s not a Union Card YOU FOOL is because YOUR UNION deprived myself and many others of our livelihoods,FOR wanting decent working conditions off the employers. YES, I will continually repeat that YOU and SUCKTO ARE CORRUPT. The proof posted on http://www.corruptsiptu.co.uk is proof positive that YOUR union sacked its own members for the Belfast Employers. COVER THAT UP with your Employer SUCKING platitudes.
Is your intelligence so limited that you have to repeat what I say – ie fish in a barrel…?
With your silly posturing and lame jokes [because you've nothing of consequence to say] and the FACT that you’re defending the Trade Union arm of Corrupt Capitalism – YOU and your cohorts in SUCKTO have proved to ALL WORKERS, those with any sense that is, and who haven’t CORRUPT ASPERATIONS of their own, – that you’re ONLY COURT JESTERS for the employers.
No matter what garbage you spew forth, you cannot DENY the TRUTH that your union sacked its own members and that SUCKTO and Jack O’Connor are covering this up.
FEEL free to use anything I’ve written here, or on the award winning Censorship Lounge, especially remarks about your union betraying and SACKING its own members. OR you could look up what Larkin and Connolly had to say about Scabs, Blacklegs and Strike-breakers. Would that TRUTH be too hard to bear…?
Aw Crybaby, don’t abandon your crusade now, just when thousands are awaiting your leadership. Please come back, you poor old bitter codger, no one else in the world can provide those incisive insights of yours….
Daniel De Foe said
The police on cedar lounge who just about tolerated the exposure of their Union Siptu being corrupt, have refused a post of mine – and censored me- because I showed that one of the Union officials in Belfast Bobby Dickey was guilty of child abuse. The truth of this is contained the in the Belfast Court System. When confronted with the young girl’s evidence Dickey pleaded guilty. This was reported in the Belfast Newspapers at the time, because Dickey lawyer in a plea of mitagation stated that Dickey was the last chairman of ITGWU at Belfast Docks. Dickey#s corruption has also been widly reported on Indymedia but cedarloung will not tolerate its readers learning the truth about child abuse and union officials. While it takes a perverted sadistic bastard to abuse a child, it also takes a pervered bastard to suck up to employers to such an extent that they sack their own members. Cedarlounge which consists mostly of Siptu members is afraid that its bloggers will put to and two together and conclude that one pervert does all. Exactly like Bobby Dickey. When will these SUCKO members realise that the TRUTH cannot be contained
tosser said
That’s shockin altogether.
Be welcome here, Daniel DeFoe, and share your woes with tosser. You’re among friends now.
smiffy said
“SUCKO”.
Wow – Swiftian.
Daniel De Foe said
Smiffy, if you were half the man you pretend to be you’d have exposed the suckups in Siptu years ago, but you can’t because you’re one of the suckup who wants to be a bigger suck up. In one of the posts you deleted on suckup lounge I stated that Hughie Murphy had phoned me with the name of the Union Official pervert, Bobby Dickey and that he was mentioned in a letter on Hughies web site [www.corruptsiptu.co.uk]. As I stated the letter is to Jack O Connor from his Belfast solicitor and states that Connor’s union DID SACK its own members and that this child abuser was one of the main culprits. This truth was too much for smiffy and the “lefties too stubborn to quit”. I often wondered – because, of their Right Wing Ethos – what it was they wouldn’t quit. Now I know SUCKING UP. Suckup Lounge, O’Connor and the well paid employer / trade unionists by their covering up of the Belfast Corruption have equated decency, self-respect and the pride of being associated with Larkin and Connolly’s Union with the Perversion of Union Official Bobby Dickey, a convicted child abuser, and with the Belfast Branch which sent Dockers and their families to a agonising death. Larkin and Connolly never meant for their union to behave like this – or even to stand for these things. Larkin and Connolly’s Union has a great tradition which has been sold out by greedy usurpers of their principles. Larkin and Connolly’s Union can and will be great again but only when these well paid SUCKUPS who have perverted Trade Unionism have been exposed and booted out.
tosser said
Tell it like it is, DDF.
smiffy said
Hugh, I’m waiting …
Hugh Murphy said
And you’d still be waiting only your hero and corrupt Trade Unionist closed me down.
Hugh Murphy said
By silencing me on Cedar Lounge, Monte Joe Stalin, wbs, smiffy and all the other so-called Trade Unionists on the award winning Cedar Lounge, have proven, that – ITGWU/SIPTU has not moved on one inch sinch they persecuted and sacked the Belfast Dockers for the employers.
At Belfast Docks when I lambasted the Union in the “Dockers Voice” for its anti working class and pro employers behaviour, the employers wanted me sacked. My complaints to Liberty Hall and ICTU about the persecutions and heavy fines imposed on the Dockers fell on deaf ears.
The union eventually did sack me – and many others for wanting improved working conditions, LIKE washing facilities.
If one word of any of the documents I’ve posted on my website http://www.corruptsiptu.co.uk is untrue, the CORRUPT SIPTU would sue me. This union’s corruption and shame are now available for all to see. Liberty Hall and ICTU are still as corrupt as they ever were.
smiffy said
Ah, Hugh, you’ve finally decided to join us. About time.
As was pointed out to you already, it’s a bit rich of you to complain about being silenced, when you were allowed to make hundreds of comments about SIPTU on a particular thread (those comments are still available for all to see, when they could easily be deleted). The reason the thread was locked (not deleted) was because I didn’t see any reason to allow you a platform to continue to throw insults against those who run the site.
I’ve told you before that I’m not a member of SIPTU. Frankly, I couldn’t care less about SIPTU and certainly have no vested interest in protecting them from your accusations.
I very much enjoyed reading through the documents you posted. It was an experience hilarious and tragic in equal measure, like wandering through an exhibition of outsider art.
On the substance of your claims, I should say that while I have not read every posted item in detail, I have not seen anything there which supports your allegations of corruption. What the documents do suggest, however, is that you were dismissed with good reason.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove by posting up reams of letters from people trying to explain to you that they have no involvement in the investigation of your allegations, attempting to direct you to the appropriate individual (I particularly enjoyed Document21, as well as the later one from De Rossa). I’d add that it’s a bit ludicrous to simply post one side of a correspondence and expect individuals to support your claims on that basis – why isn’t your side of the correspondence there as well.
If you stand over your – rather vague and confused, not to mention shrill – claims about SIPTU, perhaps you might like to restate them and – on each point – refer specifically to the document you’ve posted which supports the claim.
Thanks
Hugh Murphy said
That’s what the index is for, you twerp.
Dress it up in what ever semantics you like, the Best Political Blog Winner has silenced me on its site.
While you claim not to belong to SIPTU – it’s perfectly obvious you’ve been brainwashed by them. Documents 9, 10, 15, 16 and 17 relate to ITGWU becoming corrupted by the Belfast employers and SACKING its own members. This Union betrayed every Principle and Belief which Larkin and Connolly held dear – and persecuted the working class.
For you to say that the proof of these betrayals is “shrill” is a complete misuse of the word – and it beggars belief that you question the evidence of your own eyes. IN WHAT Rule Book does it state that the Union and employers can deprive Paid Up members of their livelihoods.
I hope that being around SIPTU OFFICIALS hasn’t robbed you of empathy, and what you found both “hilarious and tragic” were in the appropriate places. It would be really sad if you were laughing at Belfast Dockers being sacked by Larkin and Connolly’s Union and their families starving…?
I presume you also found it funny that ICTU did nothing to help the persecuted Dockers. Sniffy, least you forget, the documents are on the web for anyone to read. They proof in them can’t be denied, although Monte Joe Stalin must have got a red face when I put them up – after he denied what they contain. How can he now persuade the Curran Strikers that his union did not sack its own members…? AND how can you smiffy – after reading the corrupt heading on document 10.
Did you also find it funny, smiffy, that the union and employers did not implement an Industrial Tribunal Ruling – that the Dockers should be given a Contract of Employment. And – that the chairman stated, specifically, “That a notice of dismissal shall be such notice as shall conform with the requirements of Section [1] of the Act” If you didn’t find this funny, I’m sure your SIPTU friends did. Is this not what they accuse Currans of doing
Smiffy, you’re an apologist for CORRUPTION. If one word of any of those document is not TRUE then let SIPTU – in Jack O’Connor’s words “sue the arse of me”. THEY WON’T. As you know, O’Connor tried – after I publicly accused him of being corrupt and of covering up corruption. He was told by his Belfast Solicitor that “his union did sack its own members”. Why am I telling you this, YOU and everyone else can read it online.
No doubt you, WBS, Monte Joe Stalin and all the others who use their intellect to fool the workers will be well rewarded by the employers – just like MoneyBeggs, Fas McLoone and all the rest.
smiffy said
Hugh, a list of documents, which doesn’t explain what each document is, is not an index.
Anyway. I’ve just re-read documents 9, 10, 15, 16 and 17 and what they show is that disciplinary action was taken against you. Document 16 is particularly useful in that context, as it gives some detail of what the accusations against you were. Frankly, if you piss off from a job without telling anyone, what do you expect?
Nothing in what you’ve posted shows any corruption at all. Indeed, all they show are that you’re pretty lazy and when you get called on it, you don’t even bother to show up to some of the many hearings dealing with the matter. That being the case, what did you expect to happen?
What’s particularly funny is the fact that nothing in any of the documents posted are related to anything except your own, rather flimsy case (do you even have a case)? It’s a bit narcissistic on your part to extrapolate your own dispute into some great cause affecting all workers.
Tell me this, Hugh: why shouldn’t you have been disciplined?
tosser said
I’m just amazed that David McWilliams STILL hasn’t gotten round to making a television programme about SIPTU and ICTU corruption. It’s been over two years since he got document 35, for Gods sake.
Get your finger out, McWilliams!!
Montevideo said
Trousers down, Hughie boy, trousers down. Have some semblance of dignity man.
You were treated with respect and dignity by SIPTU, that’s obvious. I also note the lack of documentation between 74 and 83. Long time.
Another long gap between 83 and 02. I note Pat Rabbitte brought to your attention that the lapse of time would be an issue, a’major problem’.
Congress offered to meet you informally. I suspect you declined the offer, or ignored it. Hence your antipathy towards David Begg. I see Paul Smyth offered assistance. Again, I suspect you ignored it. You then moved on to Mike Jennings. Then MEP De Rossa, bet you insulted him too.
You then decided to not to attend a NEC sub-committee, handed in a letter late, and even then they tried to accommodate you. Twice! You wouldn’t cooperate. Imagine that huh, so out of character for you, as your postings will have illustrated!
You’re a crybaby, Hughie boy. You lost your job, most likely through your own fault, and will not accept the fact. You then left the issue to die, and brought it back to life when you were sure that there could be no resolution, so you could badmouth all and sundry in SIPTU and ICTU, who had no active part in 72/73/74. That’s 100% obvious.
Your much loved documents prove one sure thing, you’re an ignorant ass. God help those that actually have to deal with you on a daily basis. Even your cat must have topped himself by now.
smiffy said
Damn you Montevideo, you swine. Say what you like about Hugh, but leave the cat out it!
:angryface:
Montevideo said
Meeeeeeeeeoooowww!
Hugh Murphy said
Smiffy, are you being deliberately naive or has close association with these SIPTU Dictators softened your brain. The disciplinary action taken against me was a railroad job to get me in front of the Joint Disciplinary Committee. NOW – try and think for one wee minute like an independent person and not a SIPTU clone – and ask yourself – WHAT was my union doing in a TOTALLY ILLEGAL COURT with the employers and disciplining me on TRUMPED up charges.
IF THE CHARGES WERE TRUE MY UNION SHOULD’VE BEEN DEFENDING ME, NOT DECIDING WITH EMPLOYERS WHAT SENTANCE I SHOULD GET.
You’re being deliberately facetious when you accuse me of being lazy because I wouldn’t show up at a CORRUPT UNION EMPLOYER COURT which no union members EXCEPT the traitorous chairman who left the union and joined the employers, had agreed to.
Smiffy, your assertion that no documents refer to any other Docker is untrue. The Ruling from the Industrial Tribunal WAS not just about me but included all Dockers who should’ve been given a Contract of Employment. BUT it doesn’t suit your SIPTU buddies FOR you to point this out.
Like I said keep up the good work for SIPTU you’ll be well rewarded.
Monte Joe Stalin, why should I have met ICTU informally and in SECRET…? I was sacked by my corrupt Trade Union and they did nothing about it. Why have you not mentioned their cowardly letters…? Not biting the hand you hope will feed you…? Your comments are as pathetic as the support your union is giving to the Curran Strikers. Why don’t you also print what I said about the people you refer to, and that they didn’t want to know.
I have said before that the only reason I’ve got nowhere with my case, and the Dockers case – many of whom are now Dead from Asbestosis, was because I kept coming up against crawling arse licking bastards like you who didn’t need to attend the SIPTU COLLEGE to be taught how to SUCK UP as it came to you naturally.
Seeing SIPTU is only giving Lip Service to the strikers, WHY don’t YOU monte joe Stalin take the bull by the horns and lead the Strikers on a March to Liberty Hall and DEMAND that the union support them with Industrial Action.
Let’s see Monte Joe Arse Licker and SIPTU toe rag take ACTION for the Strikers instead of feeding them platitudes like “The time isn’t right”.
The time isn’t right for you because you and all the other SIPTU Gombeen Men are quelling the genuine aspirations of workers to guarantee your well paid Directorships from the employers and your equally well paid ICTU positions. JUST like the union at Belfast Docks.
I don’t want to hear another word from you Joe Stalin – until you lead the strikers to Dublin and demand SUPPORT from Jack O’Connor – no matter how many well paid positions you lose. EITHER you’re a Union Leader or you’re not. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Montevideo said
Aww gee, I’m like, so hurt by you Hughie baby, and there was I thinking you liked me….
smiffy said
“I don’t want to hear another word from you Joe Stalin – until you lead the strikers to Dublin and demand SUPPORT from Jack O’Connor – no matter how many well paid positions you lose. EITHER you’re a Union Leader or you’re not.”
CENSORSHIP!
Hugh, if the joint disciplinary committee was ‘illegal’, as you claim (a claim which isn’t supported by the documents you’ve posted), why didn’t you seek legal redress through the courts at the time?
Montevideo said
Aw now Smiffy, he’s only scolding me, Hughie wouldn’t censor anyone, he’s a pussycat!
smiffy said
He SAID he didn’t want to hear another WORd from YOU!
I love his ‘EITHER you’re a Union Leader or you’re not’. Well, clearly …
Montevideo said
Nothing’s too clear for poor auld Hughie…
tosser said
Guys, I like to follow a light-touch approach to moderation, but some of the postings in this thread are a bit full-on. If this keeps up, I’ll have to review my policy.
Please, either post respectfully, or don’t post at all.
smiffy said
>:-(
Hugh Murphy said
Pathetic Court JESTERS at the court of King O’Connor. They attempt to joke to deflect from the face that O’Connor’s own solicitor told him, “HIS UNION DID SACK IT’S OWN MEMBERS”.
You don’t have to make a joke out of that – the employers have already made a joke out of this so-called Trade Union.
Montevideo said
Dang & Dagnabit.
smiffy said
Keep it civil, Hugh. You heard tosser.
The solicitor says that the most serious issue you raise is the existence of a joint disciplinary committee. However, he doesn’t say that there was another ‘illegal’ about this. He also states: “While the existence of such an agreement between employer and union may understandably be subject to criticism by those who disagree with it and may generally be undesirable from a union perspective, it is hardly evidence of corruption”.
Do you like apples?
Jack O'Connor said
*deleted by tosser*
tosser said
THAT’s exactly the sort of thing I’m talking about. I’ve never, in my life, come across a more revolting string of profanities and obscenities than the ones I’ve just deleted (and I’ve been in the navy). Any more of that, “Jack O’Connor”, and I’ll ban your IP permanently.
And just for the record, from now on, the use of the word “cuntbag” is an immediate banning offence.
Montevideo said
Tsk Tsk Tosser
Hugh Murphy said
Good to see that the corruption of SIPTU is annoying the people who’re looking for well paid positions on ICTU AND directorships with the employers for selling out the working class.
Smiffy, while obviously you studied the letter from Jack O’Connor’s solicitor with a SIPTU perspective, it beggars belief that you failed to read his conclusion:- that O’Connor’s union SACKED ITS OWN MEMBERS. The rest you quote is the solicitor putting an O’Connor spin on it. Remember he had to drop “I’m going to sue the arse of you”.
I’m asking you a simple and honest question, and please answer without reference to your SIPTU cronies. Do you think it corrupt OR NOT for a Trade Union to SACK its own members…?
TOSSER, has asked a very relevant question – WHY has David McWillians not made a TV programme about SIPTU and ICTU corruption. In Crawdaddy, after I accused Jack O’Connor – AGAIN , of being corrupt and of covering up corruption – David McWilliams interrupted me, saying “Let him speak”. O’Connor stated, that, “This morning I received a letter from my Belfast solicitor and he can find no substance to these allegations”.
Smiffy, does this sound like an accurate reporting of the ’said’ letter. OF COURSE Jack O’Connor is telling LIES – AND you have the proof. Of course, what else could he do, its not every day a solicitor TELL YOU that your union sacked its own members.
Obviously smiffy, you and the other Stanalists in SIPTU find nothing wrong with this, and are happy to ignore it – BUT what about the INTEGRITY of the Union. Is SIPTU a WORKERS TRADE UNION or an EMPLOYERS TRADE UNION.
O’Connor the SIPTU and ICTU leadership must have split their sides laughing at the 100th anniversary of ITGWU/SIPTU – when they congratulated themselves on SELLING out the Working Class, and HAVING made them a puppet of the employers. NO-ONE in the entire trade union movement has reservations about MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone [and who knows how many others] sitting on Boards of Companies and being well paid for doing so.
Obviously, they AND the employers say there’s no conflict of interest, which is laughable. BY SELLING out workers and keeping wages low, the ordinary worker profited very little in comparison to the wealthy employers from the so-called Celtic Tiger. This was allowed to happen because they had their snouts in the trough of employers greed THEY ignored the corruption of rampart capitalism. In short – THEY SOLD OUT THE COUNTRY – and they are still selling it out. Fas McLoone, MoneyBeggs and the other Union Directors must decide whose side they’re on. It’s RANK HYPOCRISY for MoneyBeggs and the others to call for massive rallies in support of workers when they’re receiving MASSIVE SALARIES from government and the employers.
The above HAPPENED at Belfast Docks. When our Union Chairman, Jim Austin, negotiated the Decasualisation Scheme which was to give us jobs for life – HE promptly sold us out and joined the employers as Labour Controller. The moderates would not take action. I wanted everything our ex chairman agreed to thrown out. This was before anyone knew of the Joint Disciplinary Committee. The Dockers regretted not supporting me, both in this and in my sacking. IN 1980, the corrupt union alliance sacked all the Dockers, BECAUSE they had no Contract of Employment – even though an Industrial Tribunal ordered they be supplied in 1974. Smiffy, you have this Ruling – strange you don’t quote from, or say anything about that.
MY POINT in reiterating the above is simple to understand, BUT won’t be accepted by SIPTU apologists, is: ANYONE IN THE PAY OF AN EMPLOYER CANNOT ALSO REPRESENT WORKERS
The FACT that monte joe Stalin, smiffy, wbs and all the other SIPTU APOLIGISTS won’t accept this – SHOWS just EXACTLY what they are.
Montevideo said
Aw Hughie (cry)baby, you’re such an ass. You were sacked, your own fault, a disciplinary committtee (not the union) upheld the dismissal, you lost. No evideince of corruption, lots of evideince that you’re an ass. I take note of the hordes of workers invading this site to back you up. I retire crushed by your overwhelming logic.
Hugh Murphy said
You corrupt twit, you’re as much betrayer of Trade Unionism as our ex chairman, Jim Austin. Read the heading on document 10 and say the union was not responsible for my sacking. Lots of evidence of corruption. As I said before Jack will reward you for your sucking up.
Actually, by refusing to acknowledge that your union is corrupt and was half of the disciplinary committee that sacked me, and many other Dockers, you’re making a liar out of O’Connor’s solicitor. But I’m sure Jack will forgive you – YOUR sucking up – AS ALWAYS – was well intentioned.
Just before you retire, Monte Joe Stalin, OVERWHELMED by your sycophantism – would you enlighten me as to what you think of MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone receiving multiple, massive salaries from the employers while thousand have no jobs – which, by the way was caused by their sucking up and incompetence in the first place.
OR does your sucking up principles prevent you from condemning anyone who is a ‘well paid by the employers Union Official’.
I will take the above as read. BUT – at the very least, seeing the disaster that Labour Officials have caused with their anti working class agenda, would you not agree that MoneyBeggs should donate the money he received as Labour Watchdog on Central Bank, to unemployed workers.
I AGREE that Bank Directors should not receive massive salaries OR bonuses for the scandalous way they’ve managed the economy – SO WHY THEN does the same rule NOT apply to the Labour Watchdogs who were supposedly there to ensure this disaster did not happen in the first place. NOT only were MoneyBeggs and ICTU paid by the employers to manipulate the working class into working for a tiny fraction of the wealth the created, BUT they were Blind Deaf and Dumb while pocketing their large anti worker cheques.
Remember MoneyBeggs and Aer Lingus, [he sits on the board] speaking about a controversial decision the Board of Directors had taken to pay millions to two directors. “They didn’t tell me”! He whinged. Of course – Aer Lingus – to their way of thinking had done nothing wrong, weren’t they PAYING HIM.
NO ONE SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR FAILURE – ESPECIALLY, SO-CALLED TRADE UNIONISTS WHO HAVE DONE THEIR BEST TO KEEP THE IRISH WORKERS IN WAGE SLAVERY – WHILE THEY SLITHER UP THE EMPLOYERS WELL GREASED POLE OF WEALTH AND HYPOCRISY
Montevideo said
“No one should be rewarded for failure”-I take it you’re referring to yourself there, HughieCryBaby.
Joint disciplinary committee suspended you, pending appeal. No sign of a dismissal notice from ITGWU. Ass.
smiffy said
“I’m asking you a simple and honest question, and please answer without reference to your SIPTU cronies. Do you think it corrupt OR NOT for a Trade Union to SACK its own members…?”
Short answer ‘No’. Long answer, exactly what the solicitor said: While the existence of such an agreement between employer and union (i.e. union participation on a joint disciplinary committee – smiffy) may understandably be subject to criticism by those who disagree with it and may generally be undesirable from a union perspective, it is hardly evidence of corruption”.
BTW, I’ve told you before that I don’t have any SIPTU cronies.
“In Crawdaddy, after I accused Jack O’Connor – AGAIN , of being corrupt and of covering up corruption – David McWilliams interrupted me, saying “Let him speak”. O’Connor stated, that, “This morning I received a letter from my Belfast solicitor and he can find no substance to these allegations”.
Smiffy, does this sound like an accurate reporting of the ’said’ letter.”
Yes, it absolutely does.
tosser said
I’m locking this thread now, thereby censoring any further debate.
Anyone who attempts to comment will be BANNED.
My decision is final.
Don’t like it?
BANNED.
tosser said
Nah, I just shittin wit u bitches. You can go ahead and say whatever you like, I don’t care.
Hugh Murphy said
Smiffy, I’m beginning to believe you are in SIPTU, and pretty far up the greasy pole. Either that or you’re as ethically and morally deficient as Monte Joe Stalin. Unbelievably, while you quote from the second half of the forth paragraph of the solicitors letter to O’Connor – YOU totally ignore the first four lines, which state: “There was a Joint Disciplinary made up of employer representatives and members of ITGWU which dealt with misconduct etc and COULD and DID terminate the employment of dockers, including Mr Murphy”.
You ask at the end of your CHERRY-PICKING post, does this sound like an accurate reporting of the ’said’ letter” – and answer yourself, “Yes it does”.
NO IT DOES NOT. YOU ARE EITHER A CONFOUNDED LIAR OR MENTALLY DERANGED IF YOU THINK IT DOES.
Jack must be getting desperate. ICTU must be down on him like a ton of bricks. With everybody taking a pay cut, no one except me has mentioned
ICTU and their well paid Directorships. MoneyBeggs must be screaming at Jack to rally the troops and take the heat of them. Unfortunately, for MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone, all Jack has left is Monte Joe Stalin and smiffy. One lies to the Curran Strikes and the other lies on this site.
Smiffy, DO YOU THINK PEOPLE CAN’T READ…? DO YOU THINK THAT BY SPOUTING THE SAME OLD SIPTU RUBBISH THAT PEOPLE WILL IGNORE THE TRUTH…?
YOU also ignore document 22 which is a letter to another Solicitor from DEPO LTD, via a Belfast Liquidator, James Baird and Company. AS YOU WELL KNOW, smiffy, this letter also states that I was sacked by my UNION and the EMPLOYERS. I suppose smiffy, they were telling lies as well. At the end of this letter is a disgraceful set of Rules which were agreed by the traitorous ex chairman, showing that any docker could be sacked for ANYTHING.
SMIFFY, up to now I had a grudging respect for your intellect, even though it is completely Right Wing. Your LIES have put paid to that. I ask you again – DO YOU THINK PEOPLE CAN’T READ…? You, Monte Joe Stalin and Jack O’Connor are well suited. THREE LIARS – and when David McWilliams grows a pair everyone in the country will know it as well.
This union can be great again, and will be, when it throws out LIARS and returns to the ideals of Larkin and Connolly and adopt a working class agenda.
smiffy said
Hugh, I didn’t deny the existence of the joint disciplinary committee, or the union’s involvement on it. You asked me if I thought that demonstrated corruption. I don’t. Nor does the solicitor. Nor does anything else you’ve posted.
Why didn’t you bother showing up for work when you were supposed to?
Montevideo said
HughieCryBaby was busy feeding the cat, That’s why!
Hugh Murphy said
Smiffy, you are a complete twit AND a PROVEN liar. I was railroaded and sacked by my corrupt union and the ex union chairman, Jim Austin, who I labeled a Judas Goat in the Andersontown News. My not turning up for work was a fabricated story. As I’ve explained elsewhere our ex union chairman [with trumped up charges] created a bad work record for any docker he or the employers wanted rid of, and he was then sacked.
Smithy, you and that pathetic Monte Joe Stalin have been exposed as liars and hypocrites who have MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone as their idols.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on which way you look at it, because the Employers and Unions PAY Fas and MoneyBeggs very well, they have become confused and are suffering from an identity crisis. Hence, they have very little grasp of day to day living, or on reality. This has led to a mental condition know as “Delusions of Grandeur”.
The first signs of this mental illness are showing in Joe Stalin and smiffy, due entirely to the pumping up of their egos by SIPTU. While it’s not their fault that SIPTU fill their heads with lies, and pretend that they belong to a workers union, it is their fault that when told the truth they don’t accept it.
While the delusions of MoneyBeggs are apparent – HE ACTUALLY expected Aer Lingus Directors to tell who they were bunging money to – THAT IS besides himself. Monte Joe Stalin, Fas McLoone and smiffy have a long way to go before their illusions are shattered. Although with the credit crunch, if the employers and government cut back on his directorships, and Fas has to live on his already exorbitant ICTU salary, he might decide that he’s a Trade Unionist after all. That means poor smiffy and Monte Joe Stalin won’t progress to the role of employers union men until the next boom.
You two should realise, anyone can be a YES MAN and denier of the Truth.
Montevideo said
Terrible hard to get on here, what with all the trade unionists flocking to HughieCrybaby’s banner.
The only person with a mental illness is Mr CryBaby, was that why you failed to turn up for work Hugh, or were you out on the tear with your alter-ego, Defoe, and just couldn’t be bothered with work?
Get a life, man , you’re an embarrassment to humankind.
Hugh Murphy said
The only embarrassment here Monte Joe Stalin is you with your infantile supposed insults. You, and your Union’s inability to achieve Union recognition at Currans, coupled with your disgusting loud mouth were very useful as a vehicle for exposing SIPTU corruption on Cedar Lounge.
However, seeing Ceder Lounge [Political Blog Winner no less] has seen fit to censor my comments, I will continue to USE your feeble mind to ensure that SIPTU CORRUPTION is to the fore on this site.
Now – Monte Joe Stalin, hurl you best and most creative insults at me. Do your best with your limited vocabulary of swear words, mostly F;s and C’s to defend SIPTU CORRUPTION.
How the mighty have fallen, and how low. The fact that O’Connor and the SIPTU CORRUPTION can’t garner a better and more literate champion than you, Monte Joe Stalin, speaks volumes.
Monte Joe, let the curse words spew forth from your moronic neandathral lips.
Show everyone the level of SIPTU SOFISTACATION and debate – and what SIPTU degenerates to when an individual THINKS for himself and actually wants the Union to represent workers.
Monte Joe, the days of sucking up are past. The suck up Union Officials were useful to employers in the good times – FOR THEM – now they’re unnecessary.
This has been proved by the Aer Lingus attitude to MoneyBeggs. They told him nothing, and why should they – he’s only a Paid Lackey.
Monte Joe Stalin, the only chance for you to redeem yourself, is to stand up to the Employers Lackeys in your union. PROVE to Currans that you will get SIPTU recognition for the workers , AND prove to them that your Union is not an Employers Joke. Convince the workers that YOUR union no-longer SACKS workers and it is possible to advance in the union by fighting for Workers Rights, AND not just by sucking up.
GRANTED, it will be an uphill struggle.
smiffy said
Temper, temper, Hughie. You’re acting like a spoiled brat.
You claim that I’m a ‘PROVEN liar’. When have I lied? All I’ve said is that I agree with the solicitor that the existence of a joint disciplinary committee on which union representatives participated is not, in itself, evidence of corruption. Which it isn’t. Which is why O’Connor was right to say that the solicitor’s letter does not support your accusations.
Montevideo said
F’s & C’s HughieCryBaby? Where? That’s your style, old man. As said before, pull up your trousers, you’re embarrassing yourself. You’ve exposed yourself thoroughly as a shirker who’d blame anyone but himself for the predicament he found himself in. You should have gone to work, not on the skite, expecting the union would cover up for you. Shame on you HughieCrybaby, shame, shame. It’s a good thing you posted the documents, it proves you a liar and fantasist. For shame, old man, for shame on you!
Hugh Murphy said
Just back after a short break and am again confronted by the apologists for Trade Union Corruption. Smiffy,not only are you a PROVEN LIAR, but you’re also a DISGUSTING LIAR. By omitting the first half of the solicitor’s statement you quoted from – that there was a JDC and the union did sack myself and other Dockers, you twisted the TRUTH and CREATED LIES. For you then to say, “Does this sound like an accurate reporting of the letter – yes it does” Is compounding the illegality of what you did and adding LIE upon LIE. This PROVES that you’re a SIPTU OFFICIAL.
You again TWIST the TRUTH until it becomes LIES, when you say: “The evidence of a Joint Disciplinary Committee in which the Union participated is not in itself evidence of corruption”. SHOW me this in the SIPTU RULEBOOK. BUT – what about when this PARTICIPATION leads to SACKINGS and deprives PAID UP MEMBERS of their LIVELEHOODS – is that NOT evidence of CORRUPTION. Why were we paying Union Dues – to be protected from the employers – OR to be protected from our own UNION…? How did Larking and Connolly’s Union ever become CORRUPTED by the Belfast employers…? I ask you, Smiffy, DO you think it corrupt for a Trade Union to sack its own members…? Straight answer, please.
Stop playing with words and TWISTING the TRUTH into LIES.
Least you forget, the solicitor WAS BEING PAID BY JACK O’CONNOR. And remember, O’Connor only engaged him to take legal action against me for calling him CORRUPT and telling the assembled hordes at several large meetings that O’Connor’s union SACKED its own members. WHY HAS HE DROPPED THE COURT ACTION…? Smiffy, both you and Monte Joe Stalin should demand that he take me to Court for calling him and his Union CORRUPT.
For Monte Joe Stalin and his SUPPOSSED answer to my above post, this just confirms everything I said. His infantile assertions ARE undoubtedly the work of a FEBBLE MIND but do they also hide something else…?
Monte Joe Stalin, has, several TIMES on this site AND Cedar Lounge, referred to my trousers being down. Is this a FREAUDIAN SLIP which gives an insight to the darkest reaches of his mind…?
OR is it simply – that because he [and rightly so] cannot find justification for HIS Trade Union SACKING ITS OWN MEMBERS, he’s searching for something to say, ANYTHING? Is he trying to convince the Curran Strikers – that, IF they achieve Union Recognition, SIPTU won’t persecute them with Heavy Fines and ultimately SACK THEM. Maybe HIS lack of success with the Curran Strikers is causing burn-out and he’s questioning Jack O’Connor’s strategy…? WHICH IS…?
Monte Joe, SEEING that you’re the CHAMPION of the Curran Strikers – [if you try hard your weak mind should cope] – JUST for one moment imagine how they’d they feel if you joined the employers and sacked them, just the way the Belfast Chairman Jim Austin did with the Belfast Dockers…? I’m not suggesting for one minute that Currans would want such a Stalwart Trade Unionist who believes in the ideals of Larkin and Connolly over the greedy principles of MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone – but try and put aside your imbecilic and SIPTU sucking nature for a moment and think how’s they’d feel…?
Also – Monte Joe’s, your continual reference to me in a derogatory sense, as an OLD MAN – shows just what sort of Trade Unionist and man you are. While I’m perfectly capable of standing up for myself I dread to think of others who are not so lucky. Remember Leas Cross. I’m sure WBS and all the other cover up Trade Unionists on Cedar Lounge would agree, that, ELDER ABUSE IS AS REPUGNANT AS CHILD ABUSE. Although, with your FREUDIAN SLIP – I’ll leave you to ponder on this.
smiffy said
Hugh, you’re acting like a spoiled child, throwing its toys out of the pram.
I haven’t denied that the JDC existed, and the union was a member of it. As the JDC made the decision to terminate your employment – as far as I can tell – then, yes, the union – among others – effectively sacked you. That’s not in dispute. So where am I lying?
What is in dispute is whether this constitutes corruption. I don’t see that it does. I don’t have a SIPTU rulebook as I’m not, and never have been, a member of that union. As an expert on SIPTU yourself, however, perhaps you can show me where in said rulebook it does state that participation on disciplinary councils actually constitutes corruption.
You ask if I think it is corrupt for a Trade Union to sack its own members. I’ve already told you what I think, but I’ll repeat it. The answer is no, not necessarily. Is that straight enough for you, or are you so feeble-minded to believe that any opinion that contradicts your own, even a subjective opinion, is – ipso facto – a lie?
Montevideo said
HughyCrybaby, if you bothered your arse to turn up for work you wouldn’t have been the subject of disciplinary proceedings. You’re still trying to blame ‘the union’ for your own mistakes. You obviously had no support at the time. This is now your little pet subject, which no one has any interest in except yourself, despite your trailing the issues through every possible blog. You’ve tried to get everyone from DeRossa, Higgins, and even that paragon of left wing thinking McWilliams to rally to your cause, with no success. Banned wherever you go, everyone sick of you.
Like I said, pull up the trousers, old man, find a hobby. The horse you’ve been riding’s clapped out, your documents proved it.
tosser said
You’ve got them on the ropes now, Hugh. Go for the kill!
Hugh Murphy said
Joe Stalin, to deny the Truth and Proof enshrined in the traitorous documents which prove once and for all that YOUR union, acted corruptly, and with malice aforethought, in concert with the Belfast employers to deprive the Dockers of the means to feed their families, shows exactly what sort of YES MAN you are.
Good solid supporters of Larkin and Connolly they were, just like O’Connor and SIPTU.
Smiffy, you are obviously lying because you deny that my union sacking the Belfast Dockers was a CORRUPTION. Anyone, even the most Right Wing people I’ve spoken to have agreed that a Trade Union cannot sack its own members, SIMPLY because it does not employ them. To do so – and its proven by the documents, [which you agree show this] is for the Trade Union to engage in a Criminal Conspiracy to deprive the Belfast Dockers of their livelihoods. For you to deny this smiffy means either you’re completely daft or you’ve a vested interest. Obviously you’re not daft but you are telling UNTRUTHS.
For you to deny its corrupt for a Trade Union to sack its own members IS like saying it’s not corrupt for High Court Judge to take bribes, or for a member of ICTU to sit on the board of Central Bank, Aer Lingus or Fas. Your excuses smiffy are a denial of corruption and the truth AND therefore deliberate lies.
Obviously you have a vested interest in retaining the old order, ie money and power.
You both hide behind nom de plumes and expect me to take at face value who you claim to be. Obviously Joe Stalin is a Union Official who professes to value working class solidarity and cohesion which was enshrined in the old ITGWU but has been lost with SIPTU – yet he can’t achieve Union Recognition for the Curran Strikers. He must feel a real failure, especially when SIPTU won’t support him, and them.
As for you smiffy, you’re a right wing dictator who watches in disbelief as the solid ground of capitalism sinks beneath the weight t of its own corruption. I believe you’re one of the white collar supposed high flyers [probably a middle ranking bank official] recruited by SIPTU when it sold out the workers, Larkin and Connolly and changed its name. Unfortunately for you the bosses above you exploited capitalism for their own ends and bankrupted the country. This leaves you – embittered and going nowhere in the bank because of the new restrictions, AND going nowhere in the union because you believed all their hype.
I suppose what happened in the Banks wasn’t corruption either, smiffy.
There’s too many in the Trade Unions and ICTU, waiting to sell out for a place on the boards of a companies, for either you or Monte Joe Stalin to get a position any time soon.
A Trade Union’s only reason for existence, OR should be, is the protecting of its members interests. When it deviates from that ideal by one iota it is not doing its job properly. BUT when it deviates to the scale of Monte Joe Stalin’s union, and persecuted and sackedit’s own members for the employers, there can be no other word for this than CORRUPTION. AND THAT’S whether you agree or not, smiffy.
Smiffy, it’s strange that neither you of Monte Joe have referred to the documents relating to the union fining the Belfast Dockers large sums of money. Was not this not anti working class – as is the whole Union now…?
CORRUPTION IS CORRUPTION.
Montevideo said
Ah, Hughie crybaby, first Smiffy is a “proven liar” & “disgusting liar”, plus a “SIPTU Official”, now he’s a bank clerk!
Nothing like a bit a consistancy, huh? Just like your interpretations. If you had even the smallest shred of right on your side, it’d have been over long ago.
Stay off the sauce old man, find another interest to keep you occupied. Don’t forget to pull up the trousers too!
Hugh Murphy said
Monte Joe Stalin, for your information I said middle ranking bank official. Can middle ranking bank officials not be SIPTU officials…? Is it only ICTU officials who can have many jobs…? Yes smiffy is a proven and disgusting liar just as you’re a proven and self admitting abuser of senior citizens. I see your Freudian Slip is showing again. Are you really so stupid, that all you can think to say in reply, exposes your disgusting and abusive nature…?
Instead of mouthing off like a non entity, try and show some insight into the matters I raised. But of course you can’t. You can’t fight for the Curran Strikers because your CORRUPT UNION won’t fight for them – you can’t defend your CORRUPT UNION because both you and it are CORRUPT – and you won’t say a word about ICTU and their sell out of the workers because YOU belong to a CORRPT UNION and want to join ICTU and be well paid also for selling out.
Joe Stalin, you’re a pathetic excuse for a Trade Unionist and a union leader. Is that favourite comment of yours what you tell the Curran Strikers when they ask, for help from SIPTU – “Pull up your trousers”.
You know that the sacked Belfast Dockers had – and have right on their side. That is the ones still alive who haven’t died from Asbestosis. The reason this corruption has taken so long to see the light of day is because of CORRUPT UNION OFFICIALS. A previous general secretary, when told of his union’s corruption, said: “My insulting letters would not keep him from sleeping at night. You Monte Joe Stalin are as CORRUPT as past union leaders. If it was in your power this again would be swept under the carpet – to join your principles and morals.
Remember what I said. If I TELL ONE WORD OF A LIE, let Jack O’Connor and SIPTU take me to Court. OR – BETTER still Joe Stalin WHY don’t you and smiffy take me to Court and make me eat my words. If smiffy is not a Disgusting and Proven Liar and you not an O’Connor’ Puppet, you two should take me to Court to clear your names and the name of SIPTU. No doubt SIPTU WILL FUND YOU.
I HAVE SAID IT MANY TIMES, AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE RECORD SIPTU IS CORRUPT. NOW TAKE ME TO COURT TO CLEAR YOUR NAMES, JACK O’CONNOR’S NAME AND ANYONE IN SIPTU WHO IS AFRONTED BY HAVING THEIR CHARACTERS BLACKENED.
See you in Court. Hah! Put up or shut up.
Montevideo said
You should really lay off the alcohol before you log on, old man. As for being abusive, well, you are definitely the King there, old boy. Buy a belt, get a life!
smiffy said
Well Hugh, I don’t think I need to take you to court about your claim that I’m a PROVEN and DISGUSTING liar, given that all you’ve presented as evidence to support this is the fact that I disagree with you about whether union participation in a joint disciplinary committee, with the power to dismiss workers, constitutes corruption. You really need to try and distinguish between opinion and fact. I’m stating that, in my opinion, it isn’t corruption. Therefore, the only way I could be lying is if I really held the view that it was definitely corrupt but for some reason known only to myself decided to claim otherwise. I’d have to be as mental as you to try that.
In addition, I’d note some other reasons not to take you the court:
- Even I was to pursue an action, and win, it’s unlikely that your personal assets would even cover the cost of my fees.
- As I’ve already explained to you, I have no association with SIPTU so I couldn’t care less whether you libel them or not. The only reason I decided to take you up on your claims is because I found the way you spammed the Cedar Lounge site very irritating. It’s not that I like or support SIPTU, you see; I just don’t like you.
- This may shock you, but smiffy isn’t my real name. Why, therefore, should I need to clear my “name” in court?
Hugh Murphy said
Smiffy, obviously smiffy isn’t your real name, you haven’t got the courage of your supposed opinion [I won't call it a conviction] to use your own name.
Again you muddy the waters. I HAVE PROVED THAT MY TRADE UNION SACKED THE BELFAST DOCKERS, and you agreed with this. BECAUSE MY UNION did not EMPLOY the Dockers it did not have the power to do this – and therefore it was a Criminal Conspiracy For you to deny that this was Corruption is just like saying what the Banks have done is not Corruption.
YOU are too intelligent to deny that what happened at Belfast Docks WAS NOT corruption, yet you do so. IS THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRCY THE REAL REASON…? WHY are you arguing something which you know to be patently untrue and a disgusting LIE. Who are you touching the forelock to, D-D or WBS…?
YOU, for whatever reason [and I presume its a good one] are trying to argue through semantics that it’s not corrupt for a Union to sack its own members with employers. So, tell me what you think of this union sacking three Dockers on its own, Short, Quinn and Turner. WOULD you agree smiffy that this was corruption…?
Smiffy, it saddens me greatly that you don’t like me, I really like you and Monte Joe Stalin and am indebted to you both. Without Right Wing detractors of the truth I’d have found it difficult to get exposure for CORRUPT SIPTU.
Monte Joe Stalin, Belts Trousers stop giving away your innermost thoughts and start doing something for the Curran Strikes. Or at the very least try and say something that intelligent. It might be hard but try. No luck trying to get O’Connor to sue me…? I suppose it’s like water off a Ducks Back, telling someone who is corrupt THAT they are corrupt – Corrupt Monte Joe Stalin.
smiffy said
“Again you muddy the waters. I HAVE PROVED THAT MY TRADE UNION SACKED THE BELFAST DOCKERS, and you agreed with this. ”
No, I agreed that they participated in the joint disciplinary committee, which had the power to dismiss workers. And the only Belfast docker we’re discussing – because it’s the only Belfast docker in relation to which you have provided supporting documentation – is you. Let’s avoid the plural unless you can support your claims, shall we?
“BECAUSE MY UNION did not EMPLOY the Dockers it did not have the power to do this – and therefore it was a Criminal Conspiracy”
Didn’t it have the power to do so by virtue of its participation on the joint disciplinary committee? If it was criminal – as you assert – then why didn’t you pursue the matter legally?
” For you to deny that this was Corruption is just like saying what the Banks have done is not Corruption. ”
No it isn’t, given that the situations are completely different and not in any way comparable.
“YOU, for whatever reason [and I presume its a good one] are trying to argue through semantics that it’s not corrupt for a Union to sack its own members with employers.”
If by ’semantics’ you mean ‘words and their meaning’ then yes, absolutely. The reason I am arguing this point is that I understand the meaning of the word corruption and I don’t see how participation in the joint disciplinary committee, while it might be ill-advised and contrary to best practice, is, in itself, necessarily corrupt or evidence of corruption.
You need to provide additional documentary evidence (your say-so just doesn’t cut the mustard, I’m afraid) if you want your allegations of corruption to hold up.
Hugh Murphy said
Again you muddy the waters, What more proof do you need that the evidence of your own eyes. The proof of Trade Union Corruption is contained in the DEPO documents relating to my sacking. Smiffy, I know you can’t find anything wrong with a Trade Union sacking its own members, but I can tell you it’s not what a Trade Union is supposed to do. ASK D-D or WBS, but not in print if you really want the truth.
For you to deny there was a Criminal Conspiracy to deprive the Dockers of their Livelihoods, after reading the proof – means there’s no hope for you. YOU CANNNOT THINK FOR YOURSELF. And whether you choose to believe it or not – it was for exactly the same reason that the Banks fiasco occurred, Greed and Money.
Was this what James Connolly fought and died for – so that ITGWU could take over the persecution of the Irish Working Class…?
Obviously, smiffy, while you know the Truth, you will not accept that a Trade Union’s participation in a Joint Disciplinary Committee IS Corruption and a betrayal of everything which Larkin, Connolly and the founders of the Irish Trade Union Movement fought for. Why were Union Members paying Union Dues…?
This Joint Disciplinary Committee had a mandate from no workers to be established. The people who formed it were employers and renegade Trade Unionists who were well paid with good positions – like the ex Union chairman. For some unknown reason, smiffy, while the corruption of these people is too much for you to stomach, maybe their Treachery will be more acceptable to you.
If you read the Ruling from the Industrial Tribunal you’ll see that the JDC did not have the right to sack anyone. The Industrial Tribunal Chairman Ruled that the Dockers had no Contact of Employment and that from now on “A notice of dismissal shall be such notice as conforms with the requirements of Section [1] of the Act”. He stated that this would stop our union from sacking the Dockers. It didn’t.
Open your eyes smiffy.
Montevideo said
HughieCryBaby, you can’t even prove anything that the union was involved in was criminal, never mind a criminal conspiracy. What is becoming clearer is that you were a shirker, workshy, and determined to blame ‘the union’ for your own failings. You took no cases, and let the matter drop for years. Cop on man, pull up the trousers and stop humiliating yourself. As for spreading the ‘word’ of SIPTU corruption, you haven’t exactly fared well, no one’s interested. Galling for you I’d say, after all the trouble you went through. Ah well……
tosser said
Tosser’s interested!!
Hugh Murphy said
You silly little man, Monte Joe Stalin. HOW CAN a Trade Union sacking its own members NOT be Criminal – and when this is done with the employers to appease the employers HOW can this NOT be a Criminal Conspiracy…? With morals and scruples like yours, you’re a pathetic YES MAN for SIPTU. Now I know why you’re fixated with ‘trousers being dropped’ – they’re your own and you’re bent over.
Contary to what you say, I would think the Curran Strikes are very interested in the sort of GOMBEEN union they’ve joined. But, I suppose by now they’ve realised that SIPTU is as effectual against employers -as Monte Joe Stalin is with his ramblings. What do they think Joe Stalin, of their Union sacking its own members…?
The only reason that I’ve had limited success – so far – is not because of any lacking of Truth about SIPTU Corruption in what I say, BUT because of the strength and corruption of the Union.
Monte Joe Stalin, the only person being humiliated here is yourself AND you are the cause of your own humiliation. What sort of Trade Unionist defends corrupt Trade Unionism EXCEPT a corrupt Trade Unionist. I’m sure the Curran Strikers ARE all too aware of this.
Joe Stalin, I have told Jack O’Connor THREE TIMES to his face that he’s Corrupt and is covering up Corruption. At De Rossa’s Race to the Bottom meeting in the EU offices during the Irish Ferries debacle, in Crawdaddy in front of David McWilliams, and the May Day rally in Belfast when I climbed onto the platform and pulled the Mike from his hand – they turned it off and only a few people near the platform heard of the corruption of O’Connor and his union. Joe Stalin, give me your real name and I will tell you that you are also corrupt and covering up corruption for your defence of O’Connor. YOU can then TAKE ME to court for slandering, defaming and blackening your character. WHY will neither you or O’Connor do this…?
Joe Stalin, when I do eventually get Justice for the Belfast Dockers I will have a lot to thank you for. Without your rabid, diabolical, nonsensical and plain stupid defence of SIPTU in the face of overwhelming evidence of their corruption, I could not have got the attention this Corrupt Union deserved.
I wonder will Jack O’Connor be as appreciative…?
Montevideo said
HughieCrybaby, you’re something else. Your flaccid rants reflect your true self, impotent ravings of an old bitter man, long past making any contribution to society. You poor old thing, boasting of your petty confrontations, is that the best you could do? Fold your tent and pull up your kaks, for as you can see over the lasr few years of your one man whinge, no one is rallying to your standard. Take the hint, all you’ve done is exposed yourself to ridicule from all quarters.
Daniel De Foe said
“HOW CAN a Trade Union sacking its own members NOT be Criminal -”
It’s not a crime.
“and when this is done with the employers to appease the employers HOW can this NOT be a Criminal Conspiracy…? ”
In this instance, it seems a lot more like you were sacked because you deserved it, rather than to appease the employers.
I’m sorry, I backed you up as best I could here and on the SIPTU lounge, but it’s just gone too far now. You’re nuts.
Hugh Murphy said
Monte Joe Stalin, as you are quite aware, my reporting of my fact to face confrontations with your Corrupt God, O’Connor were not boasting, what is there to boast about – but to show you that LIKE YOU Jack O’Connor is covering up Corruption. I’ve challenged him many times to take me to Court if my accusations are UNTRUE.
You and I – and anyone reading this, [including the so-called Trade Unionists on Cedar Lounge] know he won’t.
Your infantile defence of SIPTU and O’Connor exposes completely your sycophant nature, which is to be expected from someone whose principles are bought and paid for.
IF SIPTU AND O’CONNOR ARE RIGHT AND A TRADE UNION CAN SACK IT’S OWN MEMBERS WHENEVER THE EMPLOYERS DESIRE IT, LET THEM TAKE ME TO COURT FOR CALLING THEM CORRUPT.
Hugh Murphy said
It seems that smiffy and the moronic Monty Joe Stalin have realised that defending the corruption of SIPTU is actually drawing attention to the corruption OF SIPTU.
I suppose the penny had to drop eventually.
Thanks
Montevideo said
You’re welcome HughieCrybaby, you couldn’t have exposed your lies better if I’d planned it myself. Toorlaoo!
Hugh Murphy said
Thank you for finally accepting that your Union SIPTU is corrupt – NOW maybe you’ll accept that you yourself are also corrupt: not just for your support of corruption but because of the lies you tell the Curran Strikers.
Montevideo said
Where’d I say that, Crybaby? Nowhere. The only corruption discernible is your corruption of the events leading to the termination of your employment. Note again, no one’s interested, on any blog, anywhere, and you were dumb enough to post the letters showing that you are indeed an ass. You’re more to be pitied than anything else, especially as you appear to have no dignity.
Hugh Murphy said
You speak to me of Dignity?! You crawling little sycophant of sycophants. Jack O’Connor and SIPTU ARE Corrupt and are covering up CORRUPTION and the proud traditions of Trade Unionism have been replaced by crawling little worms, who like yourself, must swallow being called CORRUPT because they are CORRUPT and can therefore do nothing about it.
Just as a matter of interest, what do you tell the Curran Strikers when SUCKTO won’t support them O Corrupt One…?
Montevideo said
Heh, you ass, keep it up, humiliate yourself some more. The best laugh the Curran strikers got was when they had your posts translated! An ass is an ass no matter where they originate, and boy do you prove it, as has the complete lack of interest in your fabricated issues.Pull ‘em up Crybaby, pull ‘em up!, Please answer, pretty please!
Hugh Murphy said
Why can you – a scurrilous little toe rag, not address your corruption and that of SIPTU…? Come on, lets hear you defend the selling out of Larkin and Connolly, AGAIN. Lets hear how the SIPTU led so – called Partnership freed the workers from Wage Slavery and guaranteed them Jobs for Life…? Lets hear from Monte Joe Stalin how keeping wages low WAS good for the country and would guarantee prosperity far into the future…?
Monte Joe Stalin, explain how so-called Partnership DID NOT benefit Union Leaders but benefited the workers…? Ha!!!
Joe Stalin – YOU might as well defend the Corrupt Bankers as defend SIPTU, but keep sucking you might still be in with a chance to attain the well paid Traitroship that you desire.
If ICTU and SIPTU can convince enough workers that they did not profit from their sell out, but acted only in good faith – [the money and seats in boardrooms was only incidental] they may keep their well paid positions and even need more Trade Unionists to sell out the next time. No doubt Monte Joe Stalin, with your total lack Trade Union principles, ethics or moral fibre you’ll be a certainty for one of the jobs. Why should you worry about Larkin or Connolly, no-one at the top of Trade Unionism does either.
Lets have one of your brown-nosing guttersnipe comments that will make Jack O’Connor, SIPTU and ICTU proud of you. Do your best. After drawing attention to SIPTU and ICTU CORRUPTION – your suck up future in the Union depends on it.
Montevideo said
Knew you couldn’t resist old man, another rant, no one listening, no dignity, pull’em up, for dignity’s sake………..
smiffy said
Hugh,
Even your former ally Daniel Defoe, with whom you’re apparently in contact, has withdrawn his support for you. I suppose he is trying to hide SIPTU corruption as well, is he?
Maybe it’s time to let it go, old chap.
Hugh Murphy said
Dear smiffy, have you noticed how Monte Joe Stalin’s childishness has been reduced to the size of his mentality.
The TRUTH needs no support.
That SIPTU, Jack O’Connor and ICTU are corrupt and are covering up corruption is beyond doubt. This has ramifications in today’s crisis. Because of the slavish bureaucracy enshrined in the Union leadership they are allowing the government to bail out banks for billions while nothing is going towards creating sustainable jobs.
A WORKERS BANK should be created with the Bankers Billions – from which money can be borrowed to get the country back to work. The planned roads would not have to be scrapped and Hospitals, Schools and day nurseries built to accommodate working mothers. Banks that have got into difficulty through greed should be allowed to go bust – with the government guaranteeing the savers money by placing the equivalent in The Workers Bank.
Ireland can WORK and PAY itself out of recession once it dumps the massive amounts of money its paying to prop up the people who caused the crisis. Trade Unionists in ICTU and SIPTU know this but are too afraid to say it. WBS, D-D and all the other so-called Trade Unionists on the FRAUD winning Cedar Lounge know, this but like Monte Joe Stalin don’t want to jepodise their future cosy well paid directorships on ICTU and IBEC.
SO smiffy, while I’m prepared to “let it go” unfortunately the CORRUPTION which started in Trade Unionism at Belfast Docks WILL NOT let go but instead perpetuates itself. To STOP IT someone in the higher echelons of Trade Unionism will have to put his head on the Chopping Block and say “THIS MUST STOP. We are proclaiming to represent workers and all we do is represent the employers and prop up banks [by not taking strike action to force the government to allow the corrupt banks to go under] we must get back to the roots of Larkin and Connolly.”
No doubt, smiffy, this is above the limited intellect of Monte Joe Stalin, who, in all probability will grunt a few enlightening Freudian glimpses into the darkest recesses of his mind, in reply.
Montevideo said
Looks like you’re in agreement with points 2 & 10 of ICTU’s “There is a Better Fairer Way” then, Crybaby, at least to some extent!
It’d be interesting to know the banks you consider did not get into trouble through greed. Perhaps your pal McWilliams can help you out there.
You should also contact the CIF, IBEC & ISME, just to let them know ICTU is doing their job for them, representing employer., Now that Hughie Crybaby has enlightened the employers (who, like trade unionists, hang on his every word of wisdom) to this, it’ll only be a matter of time before their members stop subscriptions, sure why would they pay for what they’re getting for free. in this era of cost savings? You might even put in for a slice yourself! Sure you might as well dust off the auld CV and apply for O’Sullivan’s job in IBEC.
That Freud guy does have some good paintings!
Hugh Murphy said
Is included, Monte Joe Stalin, the need to curb ICTU’s greed. I don’t hear ICTU complaining about the recent million euro pay off – how can they…?
Actually, I think you give me more credence that I deserve. The only people “who hang on my words of wisdom” are the one’s with Open Minds – which obviously doesn’t include you. Lickspittal, Toady and betrayer of Larkin and Connolly are what dictates your actions – as the Curran Strikers know only too well.
Let’s hear from Monte Joe Stalin, identity unknown, that he would support a Workers Bank and fairness in the corrupt world of finance. Let’s hear that Monte Joe Stalin believes that the Workers should not Pay the massive salaries and bonuses that Corrupt Bankers are receiving. Lets hear from Monte Joe that the Trade Union Movemen has the right to have a REPRESENTIVE inside the banking systen to ensure that this doesn’t happen again. Lets hear from Joe Stalin that these bank directors are sacked in disgrace without getting a penny and NOT rewarded for failure!
OOPS – I forgot MoneyBeggs is a Director of Central Bank.
Has someone enlightened you – that your Freudian Slips are giving away your devious and infantile inclinations…? Such as, sucking up to ICTU who – because of their present day greed and ignoring the Trade Union Corruption in Belfast, are directly responsible for what has happened here. I will say it again Monte Joe Stalin – NO-ONE ESPECIALLY A TRADE UNIONIST CAN RIDE TWO HORSES. WHEN THEY DO THE WORKERS SUFFER AND ARE SOLD OUT.
Montevideo said
As usual, Crybaby, when your pants are around your ankles, you’ll always trip up, sums you up completely. You’re rumbled again, spouting incoherence-look again at the ICTU document, look again at the turnout on the streets, look again at the engagement of ordinary working people at the coalface through their unions-then compare with the engagement with you. Nothing. Nil. You’re a non entity, a Crybaby, a shirker, an ally of the bosses, who also shirk their responsibilities. Poor sap, bollock naked, pretending you wear the cloths of rightiousness. Head back to the pub, with your alter ego, and drink deep, it’s all you’re good for.
Daniel De Foe said
“OOPS – I forgot MoneyBeggs is a Director of Central Bank.”
Hang on, Hugh. I’m also a director of the Central Bank. I won’t hear a bad word said about our good and sterling work in the face of adversity, and that includes my friend and colleague, David.
Hugh Murphy said
Good to see that Monte Joe Stalin’s sucking up to ICTU hasn’t changed. Could it possibly have anything to do with the capitulation of ICTU which I promised would happen – on the award winning political censorship blog, Cedar Lounge. He was getting worried there, it seemed that the Trade Union Movement was going to jepordise his chances of a well paid directorship for MIS-LEADING the Curran Strikers.
Why will Joe Stalin not address the issues I’ve raised…? By ignoring what I’ve written, he obviously finds nothing wrong with the higher echelons of Trade Unionism being paid by the employers and having multiple positions AND Pensions – whereby they SELL OUT the workers. This is called C.A.P. by corrupt employers and full details are given on 314 of the censorship blog.
Only someone as consumed with hatred as Monte Joe Stalin seems to be, could expose himself and his despicable nature, not to mention his favourite yearnings which – hopefully – haven’t progressed beyond the Anal Stage of human development. This is shown completely by his continual reference to ” Trousers Down”. I wonder what that is in Polish…?
When the Strikers go back to Poland they can tell the officials of Solidarity that the were sold out by employers lackeys and sabre rattlers who lead the Trade Unions in Ireland – and the appropriately named – Trousers Down.
tosser said
You are a good man, Hugh Murphy. I like you.
Montevideo said
Trousers Down in the Polish is “Hugh Crybaby Murphy”.
Hugh Murphy said
Is there no end to the nonsensical uttering of this O’Connor and SIPTU suckup?
Monte joe Stalin, now that the “planned” never to happen strike is off the duplicitous agenda, CANCELLED by the employers through their HENCHMEN MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone, even a BLIND Trade Unionists such as yourself, WBS and all the other pro SIPTU dictators on Censorship Lounge, MUST SEE – THIS WAS PLANNED to demoralise Trade Unionists, so, that whatever new scandals are exposed, or draconian measures imposed in the future, they won’t open their mouths.
And such horror – bankers salaries may be capped at 500,000 a year.
Joe Stalin, how much Tax do these fine upstanding Trade Unionists pay in Tax on their many salaries…? I know you want to join the RICH MAN’S CLUB OF ICTU, and therefore will not endanger your standing in SUCKTO by fighting for TRADE UNION RIGHTS for the Curran Strikers, BUT – would you at least TRY and say something that sounds intelligent. You’d be far better remaining quiet that coming out with this drivel. I know MoneyBags, Fas McLoone, Jack O’Connor and SUCKTO have left you with nothing plausible to say – but surely you can invent something…?
I will leave the tissue of lies up to you.
Monte Joe, the writings on the wall for these Gombeen Men. When the lowest of the low have to take pay cuts, why do the highest Trade Unionists in the land still have multiple salaried treacherous positions with the employers. AND – positions wherein they had the power to say STOP when this capitalist roller-coaster threatened – and finally did get out of control. These so-called Trade Unionists do not even bother to disguise the fact THAT THEY ARE NOT TRADE UNIONISTS – AND IN FACT ARE IN THE PAY OF THE EMPLOYERS.
Remember what Abraham Lincoln said: ” You may fool some of the people all of the time – OR all of the people some of the time – BUT you will never fool ALL of the people ALL of the time”.
Why don’t YOU Monte Joe, lead the Curran Strikers on a Long March to Liberty Hall, DEMANDING that your UNION take action to achieve Union Membership for all who want it…? The TROUBLE IS with Trade Unionists like MoneyBeggs and Fas McLoone running the Unions, WHO will want it…?
Please Monte Joe Stalin, say something sensible.
Montevideo said
Sure. At least your ankles are warm.
Hugh Murphy said
But are the Curran Strikers…?
Montevideo said
Yes indeed, dispute resolved weeks ago. Not that you ever cared Crybabyman. They thank you for your irrelevant comments, and the amusement you provided at the beginning of the dispute. Laughter is good for all.
Hugh Murphy said
But are they happy being represented by corrupt money grabbing dictators who’s only God is money and the only aspirations they hold dear, are to sell out workers and join the rich man’s club of ICTU.
On what grounds was the dispute settled? Did they receive the fantastic Trade Union Representation from you and your corrupt Trade Union that the Belfast Dockers received? OR did they receive the fantastically brilliant representation that you union maintains at Ryanair. Keep sucking up you pathetic excuse for a man and a Trade Unionist. When you’ve sucked your way to the top of union corruption – ICTU, and are being well paid by the employers to sell out workers, as you sit in the boardrooms with them, YOU can demand that the next generation from SUCKUP COLLAGE suck up to you.
Have a happy life sucking up, you unprincipled waster. Why did YOUand your union bother celebrating the 100th anniversary when everything which Larkin and Connolly stood for is betrayed by Union Leaders?
Because of your supposed dumbness and blindness – will state again YOU are CORRUPT For what SIPTU is covering up in Belfast, whereby YOUR union deprived WORKERS of the means to feed their families – and drove countless thousands to their DEATHS, YOUR UNION IS CORRUPT. For also covering up this CORRUPTION – ICTU is CORRUPT. I can’t say it any clearer than that.
By their inaction on my previous comments, even someone with your slavish mentality must see that JACK O’CONNOR, DAVID BEGG AND PETER McLOONE ARE UNDENIABLEY CORRUPT. They are being well paid, Joe Stalin,so insults are ‘like water off a Ducks back’ to them, But as YOU haven’t yet achieved the pinnacle of corruption within the TU movement where money insulates you from insults, WHY don’t you TAKE ME TO COURT. THAT IS – IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT YOUR UNION IS NOT CORRUPT.
Methinks, that while you know exactly what your union is guilty of, the greed and power that goes with a top position on ICTU will take precedence over standing up like a man – in the image of Larkin and Connolly and demanding an END to corruption in your union – and ICTU.
Montevideo said
No one needs to take you to court Crybabyman, you’ve proved you’re an asshole for free here on the web. And you did it all by yourself!
Hugh Murphy said
Try and face reality you and your suckup union have sold out. Again your infantile insults have shown your corrupt nature. If you were an HONEST MAN who belonged to an HONEST UNION you wouldn’t take my insults? You’d demand that I either prove what I say or suffer the consequences. TRY and get the very WEALTHY TRADE UNIONISTS in SIPTU or ICTU who I’ve also called CORRUP to support you in your court case against me.
Your are in good company Joe Stalin. Corruption breeds corruption and you are suckling at the breast of the EVIL CORRUPTION which has sold out the workers of Ireland. Larkin and Connolly could have never envisaged that the Trade Union Movement in Ireland would ever be led by employers masquerading as Union Leaders, or that the ONCE GREAT ITGWU would persecute and SACK MEMBERS OF ITS OWN UNION.
Monte Joe, for you to belong to this corruption shows just what sort of lying little sycophant you are. Again, I ask you, try and be intelligent with your answers and not speak like a guttersnipe, it only shows your stupidity. But then, I suppose, if intelligence is not in you it can’t come out of you – and that’s why your so good at sucking up.
BE A MAN. You didn’t answer my question: did the Curran Strikers achieve Union Recognition, OR Ryanair Union Recognition…?
Montevideo said
Like I said, your documents show you’re the corrupt one, not the union. I’m not an official, I’ve no insight into the Curran resolution, but I know they were satisfied. If you’re so worried, contact them yourself. By the way, every post you make reinforces your rep as the No 1 Asshole on the island. Have some dignity man, though I suspect you prefer your ankles warm.
Hugh Murphy said
Monte Joe, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel talking to you. Where’s smiffy…? Has he realised – like the SIPTU supporting Political Blog Winners on Censorship Lounge, that this thread is highly embarrassing to Jack O’Connor, SIPTU and ICTU.
You say “I’ve no insight into the Curran resolution but I know they were satisfied”. HOW…? Did it come to you in a dream, or did the WELL PAID TRADE UNIONISTS who work for the employers in SIPTU and ICTU, TELL YOU. IF the Curran Strikers are “satisfied” why did THEY not tell you…?
Again your limited vocabulary has exposed your limitations and inclinations. If the documents I’ve posted are of no consequence – why have SIPTU, ICTU and indeed yourself not taken me to Court to SUPPORT your claims of INNOCENCE.
IF I named a leader of IBEC – AND IBEC ITSELF -and accused THEM of CORRUPTION, and posted on the web documents purporting to PROVE this corruption, IBEC would have me in Court before you could say JACK O’CONNOR.
The reason dear BONEHEAD, that I’m not in COURT is because SIPTU, O’Connor and ICTU are CORRUPT. Monte Joe, while you plead that you’re not a Union Official, even someone as intellectually challenged as yourself MUST realise, that: A TRADE UNION MUST NOT – AND SHOULD NOT COLLOBARATE WITH THE EMPLOYERS TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT IT SACKS ITS OWN MEMBERS – OR DRIVES ITS MEMBERS TO THEIR DEATHS BY MAKEING THEM DISCHARGE ASBESTOS WITHOUT PROTECTION – TO SAVE THE EMPLOYERS MONEY. OR SIMPLY PERSECUTES ITS OWN MEMBERS BY FINEING THEM LARGE SUMS OF MONEY – FOR THE EMPLOYERS.
I have put the above in capitals in the hope you will understand it. Silly me, I was forgetting the proof is on the web. http://www.corruptsiptu.co.uk
Now, Monte Joe, for any TRADE UNIOINIST who agrees with the above, AS YOU OBVIOUSLY DO, to paraphrase you, they’re ASS—–.
While your defence of this abomination of Trade Unionism is DISGUSTING, SO too is Jack O’Connor’s cover up of it. SIPTU has gone from being a workers organisation to an employers play-thing and the reason O’Connor or SIPTU won’t sue me is because everything I say, and more is TRUE. Monte Joe SUCKUP, YOU need only read the letter from O’Connors Belfast solicitor telling him that his UNION DID SACK ITS OWN MEMBERS to know this.
Monte Joe, seeing you’re UNABLE TO grasp this simple fact, maybe some of the Curran TRADE UNIOINISTS could explain it to you.
Montevideo said
This thread embarrasses no one except yourself, no one else comments or reads it. Sure I’m only here for amusement! One or two lines provokes the most hilarious drivel from you old man. You poor old fool, posting the letters was the best thing ever, it proved you’ve no basis for your spittle flecked rants!
By the way, the strikers did tell me they were happy with SIPTU, and maintain their membership. I’m not privy to the deal that ended the dispute. They once again thank you for the amusement you provided, they say there’s old men like you back in Poland too, living in the past, ranting away.
At least your ankles are cosy, ranting away at the back of the Court you love so much.
tosser said
Would you two just kiss, and get it over with?
Hugh Murphy said
There’s no fool like a CORRUPT FOOL, that is unless he’s a SIPTU defender like yourself who has another agenda. Even such a dyed in the wool Stalinlist must see, ‘now that workers are losing their jobs in droves’ that a Trade Union’s job is to protect the jobs of Union Members, NOT sack them for the employers.
If your only answer to this TRUTH is to descend into facile, infantile and ageist comments as a means to avoid answering the points I’ve raised, then you’re obviously NO BETTER that the Belfast Union Chairman who sold out the Belfast Dockers and joined employers. Keep sucking up to Jack O’Connor, no doubt he’ll reward you with a plum Union Job. Had you used your real name in your sycophantic mutterings then I – and union members would know when you’ve been rewarded.
The most apparent and scurrilous thing to be exposed by your defence of Jack O’Connor’s, SIPTU’ s and ICTU corruption – IS – that you’re proud of their achievements. How sad. You should accompany O’Connor the next time he visits Larkin’s grave – TRAITORS of the working class, together.
Why are you, Jack O’Connor, David Beggs so afraid of the Court – that you claim I love so much…? YOU ARE ALL CORRUPT TRAITORS. Too afraid to PROTECT YOUR SUPPOSSED GOOD NAMES.
Come on Monte Joe Stalin, lets have another STUPID JOKE which deflects from your traitorous activities. WITHOUT YOUR GOOD NAME YOU ARE NOTHING. You know this and so do the above mentioned – but of course, YOU don’t USE your real name.
Montevideo said
As John Lennon (not Lenin) once sang “Crybaby, Cry, make your mother sigh, you’re old enough to know better, so Crybaby Cry”
By the way, the old saying is ‘there’s no fool like an old fool’. Guess who proves it?
Hugh Murphy said
Again such drivel. Try denying that YOU, Jack O’Connor and ICTU are corrupt.
YOU can’t and neither can they. All your silly diversions can’t change that.
Montevideo said
Shortest post yet Crybabyman, are you finally copping on, or just tiring? We await your next comment, but not with interest…….
Hugh Murphy said
The only interest you have in anything or anyone – is the interest on the money you will get – from selling them out.
Like the corruption you serve, SIPTU – ICTU – one day you disgusting Lickspittals will be exposed as the Traitors to the working class that you are.
Unfortunately, when an employer leads a Trade Union the workers are kept in line by the Monte Joe Stalins of this world, until, like what happened in Belfast happens here. ALL THE WORKERS ARE SACKED by the EMPLOYER/TRADE UNION.
How much will you need to be paid before you sack union members…? Very little I assume, you’ll do it for the power.
Please stop showing how infantile you are and answer a questioned of you. Why should a Trade Union sack its own members…?
smiffy said
Is this thing still going?
Jaysus.
Montevideo said
The poor old codger doesn’t get out much, he needs to feel relevant. Not that he is, but he’s an easy rise. It’s cruel really I suppose. Wait’ll you see the next post he makes!
Hugh Murphy said
Well Joe Stalin, I’m probably the only person you’ve corresponded with in years that has principles. Unlike you, O’Connor and ICTU I couldn’t be bought. You, they and the Trade Union Leadership in Ireland are a joke. Where is the massive rallies protesting against this Rich Man’s Budget.
Instead of making infantile comments about me, why aren’t you demanding that your union, SUCKTO, rise up and say NO – “you cannot use workers taxes to buy the BAD DEBTS off the banks”. The workers are being screwed and screwed and screwed, AND O’Connor SUCKTO and ICTU are delighted because they’re a part of the corruption which caused this crisis. While the bankers wheeled and dealed SUCKTO and ICTU kept the workers quiet.
Before making any more Psyche revealing comment to me, Joe Stalin, ask your corrupt masters in SUCKTO, what guarantee have they given that the workers will pay for the bankers blunders…? And while you’re at it, ask David Begg does he still work for Central Bank and Aer Lingus.
Joe Stalin, with betrayers of Socialism – Larkin and Connolly like you in the union O’Connor and ICTU know they can do what ever they want to workers.
Glad to see you’re looking forward to my next post – I don’t know why as I continually expose you and your corrupt union for the employers toe rags you are. The TRUTH HURTS and it HURTS money grabbing sycophantic YES MEN who lead the workers while in the employers PAY and pocket, even more.
Not that you or they are embarrassed by the TRUTH – but like David Begg and ICTU you’d rather not answer any embarrassing questions which could revel your real intentions AND your lack of principles.
Montevideo said
See, told ja he’s an easy rise. Like shooting fish in a barrel. All repetition though, he has it written on a card somewhere…. ( not a union card though!)
Hugh Murphy said
The reason it’s not a Union Card YOU FOOL is because YOUR UNION deprived myself and many others of our livelihoods,FOR wanting decent working conditions off the employers. YES, I will continually repeat that YOU and SUCKTO ARE CORRUPT. The proof posted on http://www.corruptsiptu.co.uk is proof positive that YOUR union sacked its own members for the Belfast Employers. COVER THAT UP with your Employer SUCKING platitudes.
Is your intelligence so limited that you have to repeat what I say – ie fish in a barrel…?
With your silly posturing and lame jokes [because you've nothing of consequence to say] and the FACT that you’re defending the Trade Union arm of Corrupt Capitalism – YOU and your cohorts in SUCKTO have proved to ALL WORKERS, those with any sense that is, and who haven’t CORRUPT ASPERATIONS of their own, – that you’re ONLY COURT JESTERS for the employers.
No matter what garbage you spew forth, you cannot DENY the TRUTH that your union sacked its own members and that SUCKTO and Jack O’Connor are covering this up.
FEEL free to use anything I’ve written here, or on the award winning Censorship Lounge, especially remarks about your union betraying and SACKING its own members. OR you could look up what Larkin and Connolly had to say about Scabs, Blacklegs and Strike-breakers. Would that TRUTH be too hard to bear…?
Hugh Murphy said
I’D written the above post before I saw the picture of Montevideo at the start of the thread.
I WILL NOT POST HERE AGAIN UNTIL MONTEVIDIO STOPS EXPOSING HIMSELF.
tosser said
Bet you will.
Montevideo said
Aw Crybaby, don’t abandon your crusade now, just when thousands are awaiting your leadership. Please come back, you poor old bitter codger, no one else in the world can provide those incisive insights of yours….
smiffy said
Is that Hugh?
smiffy said
Wait a minute … !!!